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I'm guessing that you're American (it's 11/9 'cross the pond (but then I guess I'm in no way allowed to name your disasters)) won't America, and most of the rest of the developed world, have pulled out of the Middle East by then?
Unless you're talking about a new threat rather than the 'modern terrorists'. North Korea are always a worry, and Nazi's are coming back which really scares me, and I'm as Nordic as it gets.
Unless you're talking about a new threat rather than the 'modern terrorists'. North Korea are always a worry, and Nazi's are coming back which really scares me, and I'm as Nordic as it gets.
My thoughts exactly.Lusty said:
GTFO back to Faux News and your comfortable conservative wonderland that never existed.
Terrorism getting worse? How? I can only guess you think it's got worse because you're comparing it to November the 9th, at which point nothing happened (a little US/Rest of the world date system joke there).
September 11th, the London bombings, and the other one in the train station, was that Madrid? Anyway apart from those what big terrorist attacks have occured? Afganistan and Iraq are winding down, and Al Qaida don't seem to have the capacity to make large scale attacks any more.
You want to be worried about the rising nuclear powers, Iraq, India/Pakistan, North Korea oh and the big threat, China.
Nuclear war doesn't seem so far fetched when you think about those few does it?
September 11th, the London bombings, and the other one in the train station, was that Madrid? Anyway apart from those what big terrorist attacks have occured? Afganistan and Iraq are winding down, and Al Qaida don't seem to have the capacity to make large scale attacks any more.
You want to be worried about the rising nuclear powers, Iraq, India/Pakistan, North Korea oh and the big threat, China.
Nuclear war doesn't seem so far fetched when you think about those few does it?
Terrorism is just another criminal matter committed by individuals and should be treated as such (maybe Afghanistan is an exception since they were the state protector/accomplice of the individual actor, but we still could have just offed OBL with black ops).
The fact that stupid laws are made on it and everyone wants to throw a military fist at it instead of at least just staying with black ops solutions is very revealing about how easily swayed, scared, and stupid people are.
You know what happened on 9/11? Some bastards got really lucky because of the incompetency of the law enforcement agencies (concerning teamwork) and our administration (regarding "you should have read the goddamn memo when it says "Bin Laden Determined to Strike US" Bush").
If it's not a nation-state with an easily defined army, you SHOULDN'T BE AT WAR WITH IT. WAR ON CONCEPTS ALWAYS FAILS. War on drugs, war on poverty, war on terrorism.
Terrorism is an awful awful thing, but it isn't that bad in the long list of shit humanity has done to each other, and even then an occasional 9/11 is preferable to another Hiroshima or Dresden.
If you don't live in say, Somalia or Pakistan, and you do live in say, a first world nation, all you have to do is not piss your pants. The terrorists want you to be scared so you'll cave or crumble from within, and the governments want you to be scared so you hand over more power to their security apparatus in the name of protecting your freedom.
In the end, I am as scared of terrorism today, or in 2015 as I picture it now, as I am scared of getting robbed at a bank or hit by lightning.
It's possible, and if it happens to me, it's very likely I'll be dead. If I am dead, I don't want anyone living their lives in paranoia or fear over it.
The fact that stupid laws are made on it and everyone wants to throw a military fist at it instead of at least just staying with black ops solutions is very revealing about how easily swayed, scared, and stupid people are.
You know what happened on 9/11? Some bastards got really lucky because of the incompetency of the law enforcement agencies (concerning teamwork) and our administration (regarding "you should have read the goddamn memo when it says "Bin Laden Determined to Strike US" Bush").
If it's not a nation-state with an easily defined army, you SHOULDN'T BE AT WAR WITH IT. WAR ON CONCEPTS ALWAYS FAILS. War on drugs, war on poverty, war on terrorism.
Terrorism is an awful awful thing, but it isn't that bad in the long list of shit humanity has done to each other, and even then an occasional 9/11 is preferable to another Hiroshima or Dresden.
If you don't live in say, Somalia or Pakistan, and you do live in say, a first world nation, all you have to do is not piss your pants. The terrorists want you to be scared so you'll cave or crumble from within, and the governments want you to be scared so you hand over more power to their security apparatus in the name of protecting your freedom.
In the end, I am as scared of terrorism today, or in 2015 as I picture it now, as I am scared of getting robbed at a bank or hit by lightning.
It's possible, and if it happens to me, it's very likely I'll be dead. If I am dead, I don't want anyone living their lives in paranoia or fear over it.
Also, an added note for people who live in London
Tommy Robinson/Stephen Lennon is going on trial (for the assault of a police officer on Remembrance Day) tomorrow and the EDL and antifa/Islamic radicals are likely to start a riot with each other.
West London might get a little tear gassy tomorrow if the tards can't have some self-control.
Tommy Robinson/Stephen Lennon is going on trial (for the assault of a police officer on Remembrance Day) tomorrow and the EDL and antifa/Islamic radicals are likely to start a riot with each other.
West London might get a little tear gassy tomorrow if the tards can't have some self-control.
Should've just used condomsdathwampeer said:
Also, Terrorism is an important issue... for people in third world countries that are afraid to go to the market in fear of there being a suicide bombing or guerilla attack. Westerners have very little to fear in the sense of terrorism, we should be combatting it so people in third world countries can live in peace. And so this means doing much more than eliminating jihadist groups. We also need to go to Central Africa, Central America, India, and South East Asia and help people there.
If "westerners" would have stayed out of certain places in the first place, many terrorists wouldn't exist.Blue_vision said:Should've just used condomsdathwampeer said:
Also, Terrorism is an important issue... for people in third world countries that are afraid to go to the market in fear of there being a suicide bombing or guerilla attack. Westerners have very little to fear in the sense of terrorism, we should be combatting it so people in third world countries can live in peace. And so this means doing much more than eliminating jihadist groups. We also need to go to Central Africa, Central America, India, and South East Asia and help people there.
Getting worse i wouldve said its getting better the IRA have calmed down and there hasnt been a sucessful attack in quite a while, the last one ive heard of (using sucessfully very losly here) ended with 0 casultys and just about the only injury being someone tearing a tendon by kicking one of the (flaming) terroists really hard in the balls
Westerners are definitely a contribution to the problem, but they're not the only problem, and we can't just alienate the entire world, sticking our fingers in our ears and yelling loud to drown out the misery the rest of the world is in.ActivatorX said:
But you see, westerners ARE a huge contributor to many problems in the world.Blue_vision said:
* colonization (and the consequences of it in African countries, for example)- England, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands
* WWII - ignoring Hitler's power, thinking he's a good guy, and that he would protect Capitalism from the Russians
* Israel - dropping in the Middle East and forming a new country overnight
* Cold War - shitting around with Communists
* Afghanistan - the consequences of the Cold War
That's all I can think of right now.
P.S. I don't consider The West to be a "demon spawn", I'm merely pointing out that some problems in the world have been brought on by people who thought they were helping humanity.
P.P.S. I can't argue with the fact that some things just can't be ignored. I will argue, though, that some things could've been done better.
Because either way there is basically no discussion value here. I understand you are new to the forums, but just know that whenever you make a thread, you need more than just a statement or an opinion. You need to offer something for everyone else to talk about, a discussion. For example, to add discussion value to this topic you can provide a few statistics or sources that actually show the rise in terrorism, and then ask if everyone feels more or less threatened by terrorism now than they did right after September 11th.[/quote]
Sorry for trying to hear your opinions on a topic. The whole intention was you would say 'YES, BECAUSE...'
or
'No, because...'
sorry to caring
Sorry for trying to hear your opinions on a topic. The whole intention was you would say 'YES, BECAUSE...'
or
'No, because...'
sorry to caring
You may be saying this, I'm not sure, but all these things are actions which happened in the past that we're still seeing the consequences of decades after the fact. There's still things going on that need to be fixed by someone.ActivatorX said:
And I'm thinking that with what seems to be huge evolution in social thought and much greater cosmopolitan thinking, there are past mistakes that would just never happen, nor would anything similar happen. We'd definitely need to be more careful, and we even had plenty of fuck ups in Afghanistan and Iraq.
But the good far outweighs the bad, which will continue as the world continues to figure out how to fight an insurgent guerilla war which will likely be the future of most if not all conflict in the next century at least, and as we continue to figure out exactly what a perfect, or at least better, word would look like.
EDIT: For sure, the west has had major, major fuck ups in the past. Colonialism is definitely a reason for a bunch of terrorist and insurgent activity today. Western economic domination is another, and the way the West handled Israel is an entirely different matter on it's own.