I finally got the new Mortal Kombat game. But I wanted to write down my very own thoughts about this boss battle Shao Kahn and the game itself. Its okay to want to make a challenging boss. I have no problem with a challenging boss, but there is a bit of a difference between a challenging boss and a broken boss. I recently bought this game while staying over at a friends house. I am being honest when I say he has never played Mortal Kombat ever. He was even having trouble with just the ladder battles on the first stage. He knows not very many combos, but he's like me. When we get a game like this, we don't want to go to practice mode first. We want to play the game and fight. You'd think that beginner would make it easy for someone new at the game, but it doesn't. Especially when he got to Shao Kahn. We tried the wait and taunt technique, but I don't know if the game is punishing us, but Shao Kahn no longer taunts us. Instead he charges in on us with his green charge technique and gets us caught in a hammer technique. Beginner, seems to no longer help the newer members to fighting games. And bosses are to hard for new people at the game. Even I, who play fighting games for a living, have a very hard time with Shao Kahn. And I don't care what people say. Teleport, wait for him to taunt. I shouldn't have to be forced to wait for the boss to do something. I should be able to fight him like any ordinary character. He shouldn't have special armor or you can't grab him or super parry. He should be ordinary and challenging. Not made challenging. Not made invincible. And beginner in fighting games should help beginning members. They shouldn't punish them. Beginning players do not want to be forced to go practice in practice mode, they bought the game to pick up and play it and get better through playing the game.
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I dont think Shao Kahn in MK8 (MK vs DC is not MK8, unless MvC3 is SF17362746) is so bad. FOr a couple of reasons. 1. The origional Shao Kahn was even harder. I could only ever beat him as Sindel. Had I played MK2 more than once Id never beat him. (Sindel debuted in MK3)
2. Tag Ladder. Two characters, still one Shao.
2. Tag Ladder. Two characters, still one Shao.
its normal habit for bosses in games in general to have special immunities like those immunities to grab you mentioned, its almost expected. and if your friend had problems on Begginer, maybe he should just completely change his strategy, its obviously not working.
I like to play one on one most times.Saelune said:
Like I said I do not want to go for cheap tricks to beat a boss character. I want to fight him one on one the way a fighting game should.
Yes, there can be challenge. But no there shouldn't be added bonuses like not being able to grab.
If MK was a minority in this area, Id agree with you, but most fighting games have super cheap bosses, and this one is comparibly easier than most. Rarely can you fight a boss like you fight a regular character. Im not saying this makes it ok, but its odd to see one of the lesser offenders being so criticized. (Worst boss so far to me is the one in Dead or Alive 4)Dream_Sequencer said:
I think you fail to realize if they are a beginner then they won't have a stragety yet. They are figuring out who the characters they are compatible with are. And they are figuring out a stragety a game should accomodate for that.BlackIvory said:
That may be, but Beginner (aka easy mode) on most fighters is usually ridiculsly easy, the computer oppenents usualy barely move,at least in the first few stages, then it gets a little more challenging.Dream_Sequencer said:
I don't know maybe its different here, haven't played the game yet. But if he played other fighters before, it should'nt be THAT hard to pick up on it
Shao Khan is not just a broken boss; fighting him encourages game-breaking fighting sytles. As you mentioned, the "wait-taunt-kick" tactic no longer works. What I had to do as Liu Kang was to spam low fireballs at him so fast he couldn't do shit. And not just Shao Khan but Kintaro and Goro also encourage spamming, and then that (supposedly) seeps into online competition.Dream_Sequencer said:
Despite the boss characters and computer Quan Chi, I find MK9 to be a very enjoyable game overall. I'm not even a fighter-game guy (mainly FPS); the only fighting game series I play seriously are Soul Calibur and Mortal Kombat. And I haven't even touched online play yet (haven't renewed gold member)
Really? Let's see on Easy mode Baraka came out with a 10 hit combo. Same on Beginner. Its very broken. And I'm being serious about this 10 hit combo businessBlackIvory said:
Did you played Street Fighter 3? That was a boss to really rant about...
Shao Kahn is very easy if you know what to trick to use.
Shao Kahn is very easy if you know what to trick to use.
Dream_Sequencer said:
So you play fighting games for a living but don't like going into the training mode to actually figure out how to play the game? Are you making a living out of losing really badly at them or by playing them naked over a web-cam with creeps watching or something...cause that's pretty much the only feasible way I can see those two things making sense together
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I don't like the glowing yellow thing, but for all of the Bosses/Sub bosses its the same thing,
TIMING!
Hold back, wait for them to attack, dodge/block and preform your best combo on them, or if you don't know a good Combo Throw a projectile or Uppercut! I just beat the challenge tower yesterday
TIMING!
Hold back, wait for them to attack, dodge/block and preform your best combo on them, or if you don't know a good Combo Throw a projectile or Uppercut! I just beat the challenge tower yesterday
There is a thing called learning to play the game, while playing the game. I practice while playing the game. I'm not a fan of practice mode. So I just play around on Beginner first, if I'm new to the fighter game, and work around what buttons do what and what buttons acts as combinations. Without looking at the move list. I remember combos by the feel of the controller and the buttons. I also remember combos from their timing and how they are timed into opponents attack.Dreiko said:So you play fighting games for a living but don't like going into the training mode to actually figure out how to play the game? Are you making a living out of losing really badly at them or by playing them naked over a web-cam with creeps watching or something...cause that's pretty much the only feasible way I can see those two things making sense together
I got really good at timing X ray attacks.
But Shao Kahn isn't something I can beat. I beat him a few times with characters I'm good at such as Scorpion and Sub Zero, without teleporting btw or throwing projectiles usually I wait for him to taunt I get Shao with a good 3 to 4 hit combo and get the hell outta there.
But the characters I'm good at, I'm good at because the combos, the timing, and the way the character themselves feels, feels right. It doesn't feel stiff.
I'm not really good with Raiden. Even if I learned his combos, he isn't a character I'm good at on a daily basis and his combos don't feel right to me. They feel sluggish and don't feel compatible with my play style.
I can easily beat the ladder up to Goro and Kintaro and Shao Kahn. The other characters even Shang Tsung are not really much of a pushover.
But this thread wasn't exactly about me playing the game or me and the game. Its about, how are new gamers getting into this game, when the game itself is not built on encouraging the beginning players.
I love combos. To be honest, I could be a bit of a combot whore. I love to hardcore, punch and kick my way through a fight.PixelKing said:
The neat teleportation tricks, and lightning is cool. And I do use them, if they are part of a combo, but I also love not having to sit there and do one thing because Reptile has decided every time I get up he's going to make an acid bubble so I can never get up again.
Medium difficulty assumes you know a lot about the character you're playing, i.e. which combos do the most damage, which combos can be chained with special attacks, special attacks that create an opening for a special attacks, and knowing all the special attacks.PixelKing said:
I myself had to get off Story mode ever time I changed characters to learn to them.
Shao Kahn is a ***** on story mode, but I think that may be due to the fact that when you fight him you play as Raiden...and he's not my personal best character....
However on ladder mode, I recommend going for tag ladder, and, if you're really having trouble, having at least one character that can teleport and one who has good projectiles (or both). Also, Striker, I found, was pretty good, as his rolling attack ( B on 360) dodges the annoying hammer throw.
Likewise, Smoke's technique where he turns into vapour is very handy to evade attacks too, if timed right.
Teleporting is very helpful. Get enough distance and Kahn will start hurling projectiles. This is when you teleport (especially if he throws his hammer) and just repeat that.
If you really are struggling I recommend giving the practice mode a go as it only takes a few minutes.
However on ladder mode, I recommend going for tag ladder, and, if you're really having trouble, having at least one character that can teleport and one who has good projectiles (or both). Also, Striker, I found, was pretty good, as his rolling attack ( B on 360) dodges the annoying hammer throw.
Likewise, Smoke's technique where he turns into vapour is very handy to evade attacks too, if timed right.
Teleporting is very helpful. Get enough distance and Kahn will start hurling projectiles. This is when you teleport (especially if he throws his hammer) and just repeat that.
If you really are struggling I recommend giving the practice mode a go as it only takes a few minutes.
I would agree with Shao Khan on the story mode- ladder matches I can take him with some effort, but the final story game, I think they cranked the "Cheap" knob to 12, ripped it off, and threw it into the trash heap. The taunt exploit no longer works and frontal attacks about as effective as any MK female's battle attire.
The trick here, as I found out is a frantic run-goad-run-attack-run strategy. That is, get in closer, and force Shao Khan to attack. Wih enough patience and timing you will learn how to time your teleports. While Shao is still performing his strikes (after you play him for the, oh, 80h time, you find, he has a fairly large opening after his attacks) try to use the spark kick combo. Silly name, but it works really fecking well against him. Repeat. Also, if he starts taunting you, take the opportunity to do Raiden's Flying attack and smack Shao back a few yards. Also, with Shao I found he is REALLY easy to put X-Ray attacks on. Granted it doesn't do a hell of a lot,
Essentially, yes, Shao is cheap, but he forces you to relearn how to play the game. Instead of totally dominating your opponent and think you can string combo after combo, you have to play this methodically and wait for your time to go for glory.
The trick here, as I found out is a frantic run-goad-run-attack-run strategy. That is, get in closer, and force Shao Khan to attack. Wih enough patience and timing you will learn how to time your teleports. While Shao is still performing his strikes (after you play him for the, oh, 80h time, you find, he has a fairly large opening after his attacks) try to use the spark kick combo. Silly name, but it works really fecking well against him. Repeat. Also, if he starts taunting you, take the opportunity to do Raiden's Flying attack and smack Shao back a few yards. Also, with Shao I found he is REALLY easy to put X-Ray attacks on. Granted it doesn't do a hell of a lot,
Essentially, yes, Shao is cheap, but he forces you to relearn how to play the game. Instead of totally dominating your opponent and think you can string combo after combo, you have to play this methodically and wait for your time to go for glory.