And AGAIN you ignore the lag. That 90% of lag occurs between a person and their own ISP. If a person hosts a game, that lag DOUBLES. Since home connections aren't sitting on backbones that also means that the spectrum of lag is much larger the farther people are from each other. So if you like playing w/ friends in different states you can expect 50-150ms more lag w/ P2P, than if you were using a dedicated server.
actually, I addressed the lag when I said the only noticeable lag I get is when the seconda is using second gen. internet connections. also, for pulling numbers out of where Mr. Hands used to take it, I almost agreed with you at the 50-150 part till I realized you tagged 'more' along with it. on my connection, a regular 8mbps mind you, I get an average of 50-80 ping within the Northern American [Mexico, America, Canadia-land], add roughly 2-9 more ping should they still be using AOL. the only point that my ping jumps over 100 is when Im playing with Europe players [ironically enough, I get fairly good connections with German players than the rest of Europe]. But by what you're saying is that I shoudn't be able to play at all on p2p games with people across the pond.
You admit yourself that your game can be influence by the lowest common denominator yet you keep insisting that it's a non issue. you're contradicting yourself. it also completely invalidates your "just get a better connection" argument as most people wont & have average connections. Fiber penetration in the U.S. is about 4%. That means virtually 96% use DOCSIS 2 or ADSL (there are a few DOCSIS 3 test areas & some places u can still get SDSL but they're mostly business lines & cost $100s a month). If you understood DOCSIS you would understand how much lag is involved. (i'm also calling bullsh** on your ping statement. i connect w/ friends in europe sometimes and ping is NOWHERE NEAR what youre claiming. UK, germany, finland, russia; always higher than in the U.S. In the U.S. to a dedicated server i can get 40-100. average 70. P2P on console i get 120-200 average. Just because you don't understand technology & can't see past your own insulated word doesnt mean every1 in the world is using next gen tech. In fact if you went to the sites i linked you to you would see that ISPs are so reluctant to that cities have been threatening to roll out their own fiber. (ISPs have even tried to sue, because in the U.S. they were given permission to have a virtual monopoly as incentive to roll out cable to all areas back in the 80s)
ps 8mbps i assume is your DL. which means NOTHING in P2P. upload is the only important stat.
p.s. Some games P2P is fine for as they are co-op and not competitive. Or if they dont rely heavily on timing or accuracy. But a FPS is HEAVILY RELIANT on accuracy, latency, QoS, bandwidth, & reliability.
Im not going to argue with this, as FPS's do rely on accuracy, latency, Bandwidth and the like, but I have a library of competitive FPS games that use p2p that will also say that you are full of shit with your arguments.
let me ask you this, have you played MW2 yet.
If you have provide proof and I might take you seriously.
no i'm not going to buy it. Why should i buy something which i know is going to have problems & have compromises? I'm sorry, but i know how the technology works & i'm not just going to take their word for it. they can't fundamentally change the way the internet works. Console users don't notice it because they have things like auto-aim, artificial host lag, extra-large-hitboxes & forgiving control schemes. If they were using a mouse they wouldve be unsatisfied w/ the result long ago.
oh, and what is in this "library of FPS games" you talk about? What games, for what platforms? I really get a strong feeling off you that you know nothing about networking & have virtually no experience w/ PC FPS games. I've been console gaming online since crimson skies, halo 2 & socom. I've been PC gaming online since i used to direct dial my friends over the telephone & play Duke Nukem 3D.
You keep talking about your "8mbps connection" and saying "just upgrade"; when both of those things (DL speed) & doubling the cost of your monthly internet (if that's even an option as most of the U.S. is monopolized re: broadband) were really relevant. You're an apologist.
So people who are willing to play on unofficial servers are STILL going to. It's only punishing people who actually buy the game and play official multiplayer.