Anti-Child Society
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Probably Nature re-affirming herself on our COMPLETELY RATIONAL brains.
We're running out of resources, and market forces are pushing us towards using them all.
Therefore biological forces are finding ways for us to reduce the population.
We're running out of resources, and market forces are pushing us towards using them all.
Therefore biological forces are finding ways for us to reduce the population.
I don't like children and I don't get along with children, at best I can put up with them for a little while(though my patience is short). At the moment I intend never to have children, but there may be a slight possibility in the distant future perhaps that I may consider changing my mind.
oddly enough infants seem to like me, but older than toddlers don't get along with me well...
oddly enough infants seem to like me, but older than toddlers don't get along with me well...
I always find it hilarious when people say that. If children are the future then how come we're still being run by ancient, undead white guys? Again, I don't mean to sound nasty, it's actually a funny thought to me.Jack the Potato said:
I don't like most kids. Babies and toddlers in particular. Actually, no. Loud babies and toddlers in particular. I have no problem with "brat bans" in restaurants as long as it's only the brats being banned, not all kids. A nice quiet kid is not disruptive to the environment. A baby screaming loudly the entire time it's there is, on the other hand, very disruptive.
It's really easy to see why people don't want kids though. Without kids, you have so much freedom. Sure, you may have to work a full time job, but the rest of your day is yours. You and your partner want to walk around the house naked, or leave for a romantic weekend getaway on a whim? You can.
Once you have kids, you don't have that luxury. You lose freedom, you lose sleep, you lose... well, a lot. I personally don't think the feeling of being a parent would make up for all that's lost in the process, so I choose not to be a parent. Simple as that.
It's really easy to see why people don't want kids though. Without kids, you have so much freedom. Sure, you may have to work a full time job, but the rest of your day is yours. You and your partner want to walk around the house naked, or leave for a romantic weekend getaway on a whim? You can.
Once you have kids, you don't have that luxury. You lose freedom, you lose sleep, you lose... well, a lot. I personally don't think the feeling of being a parent would make up for all that's lost in the process, so I choose not to be a parent. Simple as that.
They were children once, who's experiences as a child made them into the old white guys we see today. When they were children, their future is what is now the present, thus: children are the future.The Lesbian Flower said:
Y'know, I once heard somewhere that in some colonies of...salamander, when the population becomes too large for the habitat then a generation of salamander in that area will be born with bigger teeth and better strength and end up clearing the numbers a bit.
Now I'm not supporting murder or anything of that ilk here (In fact despite OP I love children...non-pedophically...and plan on definitely being a father someday) but in response to OP I often wonder if things like an engrained hatred of the young and, to a further extent, things like serial killers are anything like what happens with the salamander.
Contraception, economics, changing sexual mores that mean many people are less likely to form long-term romantic bonds that make children seem like a feasible choice...
I'm never going to suggest anyone is required to have children. Having or not having children is a matter of choice, and certainly having children is a big responsibility (at least, if you're doing your job) that not everyone feels they need in their life.
I would, however, caution against trying to revise society into something that's actively hostile to children, as doing so is likely to promote an extremely unpleasant backlash. I would also note that if young college-educated professionals choose not to have children, in twenty years or so you're going to be awash in the progeny of those who don't fit that description.
Around which time I'm going to see if I can move to New Zealand.
I'm never going to suggest anyone is required to have children. Having or not having children is a matter of choice, and certainly having children is a big responsibility (at least, if you're doing your job) that not everyone feels they need in their life.
I would, however, caution against trying to revise society into something that's actively hostile to children, as doing so is likely to promote an extremely unpleasant backlash. I would also note that if young college-educated professionals choose not to have children, in twenty years or so you're going to be awash in the progeny of those who don't fit that description.
Around which time I'm going to see if I can move to New Zealand.
I heard a child somewhere outside yesterday, probably in a store, who kept yelling MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA, MAMA.
Sometimes i wonder what goes on in the parents head when they do not pay any attention to their child whatsoever.
You have to use a child's instincts in order to get them to realize what may or may not be acceptable behavior. Telling them ''no'' when they ask for a toy and nothing else is not going to lead to peace.
Sometimes i wonder what goes on in the parents head when they do not pay any attention to their child whatsoever.
You have to use a child's instincts in order to get them to realize what may or may not be acceptable behavior. Telling them ''no'' when they ask for a toy and nothing else is not going to lead to peace.
Don't remember the article but the issue is advanced society depression, basically any business competitive society has the population strung out on fear how to stay ahead of the curve, media bombards them every day with dangers on everything and everyone feels the increasing need to take care only of themselves because it's a jungle law out there, screw people or be screwed.
Now when the people constantly fear for their livelihood there isn't much room for them to be comfortable with the idea of a child.
Now when the people constantly fear for their livelihood there isn't much room for them to be comfortable with the idea of a child.
Kids can be annoying. Adults are assholes.Kodachi said:
Kids do what they do because they haven't adopted to the culture completely. Adults have no such excuse. I agree with you. Even though I don't like listening to a crying kid while I am eating my dinner I don't want all kids banned from restaurants. I have more against adults talking loud enough to be heard from the outside and those who get drunk and argue with the staff.
OT: the reason there are less births is that we feel we need to be settles before we can have kids. This usually means we have to finish high school and often get a university degree. Women top the statistics of getting more education so they're probably not done before they're at least in their mid 20's. Then they have to find a job and a place to live. They have to be sure they will be able to keep the job even if they get pregnant (which in USA seems to be an issue). If they can't keep their job and have a kid they will worry about money and push the date they plan to have kids. Then with age some decide that the dangers of Downs or other birth defects is too big to take the chance, or that getting a kid will change too much of the familiar life.
Those who are settled into the good ol' familiar life will often have little experience with children and thus get easily annoyed by them thus creating the anti-child society you're talking about.
At least this is my hypothesis of it.
I'll be honest. People with your outlook on kids annoy the hell out of me. To me, people who whine and complain about kids and call for bans seem to be just as bad as the whiny kids they seem to hate. Yeah, I plan to have kids. To me, the child is never the issue, it's the parent. And because some kids are bad means you ban all of them? Whoo, generalizations! Whenever I have kids to raise, I actually plan on giving a damn so that they can hopefully change the minds of guys like you.
The reason is because people are too lazy and self centered (there are exceptions so don't consider that an insult). The good ones are the ones that realize this and choose not to have kids.
The rest have kids but don't put the effort into raising them. This leads to the issues that cause the brat bans. Those wouldn't even be an idea if more parents taught their children how to behave in public.
Of course that becomes problematic when any punishment is considered abuse. I have actually met people who think giving children a time out is abuse. Positive reinforcement only goes so far, sometimes children need to be taught there are things you just don't do...like throwing a tantrum in the middle of a nice restaurant.
The rest have kids but don't put the effort into raising them. This leads to the issues that cause the brat bans. Those wouldn't even be an idea if more parents taught their children how to behave in public.
Of course that becomes problematic when any punishment is considered abuse. I have actually met people who think giving children a time out is abuse. Positive reinforcement only goes so far, sometimes children need to be taught there are things you just don't do...like throwing a tantrum in the middle of a nice restaurant.
this. i don't plan on having kids personally, but they people who outright hate kids and want bans and such on them just annoy me. I mean, seriously, kids are kinda important to the continuation of the species, not to mention that all of us were kids at some point or another, and that these kids are, amazingly, people too! Le Shock! Yes they can be annoying as hell at times, but so can grown adults, so deal with it.DarthSka said:
Imagine scenario:blaqknoise said:
You have just paid for yourself and your date to go to an expensive restaurant (not some family restaurant), you have paid plenty for your food and drinks and then a family comes in. They have a small child / baby. No problem. But within 5 minutes, it starts screaming and crying, the parents try to shut it up, it is two tables away, you can hear it clearly. The parents attempts are futile, as they normally are. They stay there for the duration of the rest of your date. You listen to screaming that entire time. Would you be happy with the management of this classy restaurant for allowing this?
Same idea goes for first class on trains and planes.
WARNING: Actual answer to your question follows. Proceed with caution.The Lesbian Flower said:
Higher standard of living. Developed countries always have lower birthrates than developing countries. Within developed countries, the people who breed the most are always those who are less well-off. The reason is obvious - in developing countries and ghettos, big family = survival. More people in the family unit means more people to work, bring in an income, greater support network, many hands make light work etc etc. Survival takes priority and a larger group can survive easier than a smaller group. In middle-class environments in developed nations where survival is a given, the priority switches to quality of life - people want to enjoy life more, explore career and leisure option etc, so they have children later in life, or not at all.
Nothing to do with breaking away from conformity, anything political or whatever. It's just people choosing the best possible ways to live their lives depending on circumstance.
A couple other things in this thread worth tackling:
1. The world is not, nor is it ever going to be, overpopulated. World population figures are looking to level out at 9 billion, a number the planet can easily support. Problems of starvation are a result of lack of certain people's access to food, not lack of food in general. Out of all the food that is made currently in the world, about a third is wasted.
2. War, nukes, etc does absolutely nothing to stop population growth and in fact increase it, because war lowers standard of living, and as previously discussed, communities with a low standard of living have a higher birthrate. For example, while the world currently is not going to have a population crisis, certain countries are, given current trends. One of the countries heading for an overpopulation problem soon is Afghanistan.
Yes I have sources, I can link them if you want.
