Anyone know why rap seems more popular than metal?

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evilthecat said:
Dreiko said:
See, I like metal because of its energy, it infuses me with a positive go get things done epicly attitude. Rap I like when there's smart rhymes and other linguistic tricks but from a musicianship level while a lot of metal has basis in classical music rap seems to be not nearly as focused on instrumental performance. Having studied piano for years, it feels kinda unfair to metal to even compare it with rap due to how much more work it takes to play all those instruments that well.
Well, that very much depends. Some metal genres are incredibly easy to play, just stick a bunch of power chords together and have a vocalist who doesn't mind not being able to speak in ten years. Heck, the kind of things which a lot of metal fans tend to interpret as denoting musical "skill" (particularly guitar solos) are actually not too difficult to acquire. If you pick up a guitar and only practice guitar solos, you'll get good at it quite quickly, but you won't be a good guitarist in general.

While you're right in a sense about musicianship, in that rap (as the name suggestS) comes from spoken word poetry and wasn't originally a musical genre at all. I think you're straying a bit close to some commonly held beliefs about electronic music which I intensely disagree with. A lot of people who either play instruments or prefer instrumental music seem to have this idea that making electronic music is incredibly easy or requires no skill, like you just press a button and the computer generates a song for you. I mean, I loathe the whole "cult of the DJ" mentality in electronic music whereby "celebrity" DJs are held up as irreplaceable geniuses or treated like rock stars because on a basic level electronic and instrumental music are different (and also because it's a cancerous relic of the Ibiza club scene, which prejudiced me against electronic music for a long time) but making electronic music still requires technical skill, and while American hip hop may quite often treat music as immaterial that isn't true in all rap genres (it's occuring to me at this point that the word rap is really archaic - it's not uniquely American and in many cases it's not rhythmic or poetry).

But yeah, it took me a very long time to appreciate rap mostly because I grew up surrounded by suburban white kids listening to American hip hop (I suspect that doesn't really happen any more, thank god). I was living in London when grime got really popular, and it was more acceptable to me because of the stronger emphasis on rhythm, because it sounds more like other electronic music and also I guess because I was using to hearing MLE at that point so the lyrical content was more accessible.

On the subject of lyrica content, sure, flexing about money or glorifying violence may not be particularly polite but on a level it's not supposed to be. That's what I'm semi-seriously calling the "brutality", that in rap these things aren't heroic or mythic battles between good and evil, they're stripped of any kind of deeper metaphysical meaning altogether. To put it bluntly, money is "mundane crap" when you have it. Poverty or violence are uninteresting when you've never experienced them. Not implying I have in any real sense, but the older I get the less time I have for escapism in this sense.

As someone with interest in Vocaloids, I am fully aware of the work it takes to make electronic music, but at the same time that is not the same type of work that learning an instrument takes, there's an element of actually performing it live that is missing which makes it less impressive when contrasted to simply composing something and then hitting the replay button. Also, each performance is unique while electronic performance is the same unless you update it, there's a lack of the mood of the time of the performance basically, you can't really change it on the fly based on your feelings and the vibe.


As for rap, yeah I tend to like Japanese made which often has some part of rock music too in the instrumentals and tackles generally softer topics. Also recently some Korean rap I listened to was not bad either.


And yeah the popular rappers rapping about money are millionaires so the impact is lost. If it was an actual poor person, one who is presently poor and who is expressing his hurt without any realistic hope for compensation, then it'd be another matter.
 

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I don't know, but we should all be thankful...[footnote](I would apologise for the facetious one-liner, but the original post was just that, so it seems fitting)[/footnote]

Also, define rap? Or do you really mean 'anything nebulously urban and R'n'B-y'?

Depending on definitions, I'd say rap/urban music is more relatable to a greater slice of the populace, and is more easily marketable for entertainment purposes. Metal is relatively niche.
 

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I kinda remember when i was growing up during the 80's early 90's that rock music was around on tv and radio
 

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Dreiko said:
As someone with interest in Vocaloids, I am fully aware of the work it takes to make electronic music, but at the same time that is not the same type of work that learning an instrument takes, there's an element of actually performing it live that is missing which makes it less impressive when contrasted to simply composing something and then hitting the replay button. Also, each performance is unique while electronic performance is the same unless you update it, there's a lack of the mood of the time of the performance basically, you can't really change it on the fly based on your feelings and the vibe.
On the other hand, making any type of good music requires a good understanding of rhythm, composition and many other things that we tend to lump together as "Musicality". I share the dislike of the Cult of the DJ, but those that rise to become famous also tend to be very good at actually making music, even if their stage shows basically consist of pressing a button and then managing to not look bored while the music plays.

As for the technical proficiency of Rap vs Metal, they are different kinds. The average rapper would no doubt be able to school most metal vocalists in terms of sheer articulation control. Contrary to popular belief, it is not easy to rap. It takes lots of practice to reach Kanye West levels of intonation and articulation control at the words per minute he approaches in his most fast paced songs. I am no particular fan of West, but try keeping up in a song like Power (not all that hard) without rushing the words, misplacing intonation or failing to articulate correctly. And West isn't even among the foremost of rappers in this regard...
 

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*shrug* because Rap is more mainstream and is easier to get into than Metal to begin with? I'm not a muso in the slightest, but generally speaking I can distinguish different rap styles when I hear them while most metal just ends up sounding the exact same. That'd probably improve if I listened to Metal more often, but as my friend who actually listens to metal says, 'the good stuff is hard to find' (since, again, it's not mainstream), so... yeah.

Also probably doesn't help that the general style and fashion sense associated with Metal is something typically ostracized for being the weird kid who smokes behind the school while wearing too much eyeshadow. Hard to really break into the mainstream when you're dealing with that hot mess of a stereotype, that's for sure.
 

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undeadsuitor said:
altnameJag said:
*Reads thread*

Shit, Rap is urban Country. Why haven't I made that connection before? It's even got the same three songs:

This Is How It Is In The City/Country
Let's Get Hammered And Do Something Stupid And/Or Crazy
Oh God, I've Fucked My Life Up Doing Something Stupid And/Or Crazy


These songs are inexplicably popular.
you forgot the best country songs

"Club music but it occasionally mentions wearing boots and/or a tractor"

or

"ridin in my truck and theres an incredibly specific looking country girl sitting in the passenger seat"
What about that old classic "My man/woman done hurt me/cheated on me"?
 

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Why is rap more popular?

Have you listened the the radio? I have never heard any metal on the radio (well, now you can get satellite radio, which probably has metal stations now). But think about the 90's, the 2000's, and now. No radio station (that is not satellite) is going to play metal. And if no one plays metal, then no one can experience it, thus not as popular.

Plus, people have no idea what metal is. People think it is devil worship and screaming and shit, when most metal isn't. So until society changes, don't expect to see metal become more popular.
 

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undeadsuitor said:
emotional pain is old country

or...well...at least 90s country. nu country is just club songs about cowboy boots

that is unless you listen to carrie underwood, who sings exclusively "my man cheated on me/hurt me and then i murdered him"
Dammit, now you made me miss outlaw country music :(
 

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Because when you all think of something you don't like as general as a music genre, you think of the worst examples. You're thinking of Nicki Minaj and Drake and whatever else pop rap you're thinking of. And when you think of something you do like, you think of the best examples. You're not wondering why people would like Cannibal Corpse or death metal. You just assume they do because you do too.

Maybe try to find the best examples of rap before you all keep wandering around doing your best Seinfeld impressions. Gang Starr, Common, J Cole, Talib Kweli, Mobb Deep, let's give them and others try before we dismiss based solely on populism.
 
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irishda said:
Because when you all think of something you don't like as general as a music genre, you think of the worst examples. You're thinking of Nicki Minaj and Drake and whatever else pop rap you're thinking of. And when you think of something you do like, you think of the best examples. You're not wondering why people would like Cannibal Corpse or death metal. You just assume they do because you do too.

Maybe try to find the best examples of rap before you all keep wandering around doing your best Seinfeld impressions. Gang Starr, Common, J Cole, Talib Kweli, Mobb Deep, let's give them and others try before we dismiss based solely on populism.
Well, isn't that because the worst examples are the ones that consistently top the charts and get played on the radio? The worst examples of rap are the ones that are the most popular. I'd say Macklemore is the only popular rapper that I know of whose songs aren't about bitches, money, sex, or justifying violence and drugs. That isn't to say that rap is a bad genre, I actually love the ones that aren't morally deplorable, but it is a genre that puts its worst foot forward.
 

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Because it has a beat you can dance to

Shit, NWA said it best in 1988


Also, rap is good and anyone who says otherwise is a memer
 

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Rap has been mainstream since Run DMC became popular in the 80's and it never stopped being mainstream.
Metal has been mainstream in the 70's and 80's and then it was overshadowed by things like grunge in the 90's and never really made it back to the mainstream.
Rap has more relatable topics, whether it's socio-political topics or partying and smoking weed.
Also, you can dance to rap so it's played in clubs, which increases it's popularity.

axelthefox said:
Because most of what i have heard from rap music from cars gong by my house seems to be using a racial slur and such.