Anyone up for an argument?

[Code Monkey]

10) Abortion is the destruction a human foetus, to end it's existence and it's life. How can it not be wrong to deny it a chance at life?

Then every wasted sperm is missing its chance at being a child, those poor, poor little swimmers. How could we take their lives so young?!

Ah, but it's not your choice. To be truly fair, every sperm should be given life, and as it is, we should allow every chance at life.

Here is a parallel. You cannot stop hundreds of children dyeing every year from poverty and malnutrition. But does that mean that if someone brought before you a 6 year old orphan living on the streets, you could kill him/her without a qualm?

I don't define abortion as murder. If someone isn't ready to give birth, mentaly or physicaly,then it should be (And is) there right to decide if they want the child. And, a 6 year old and a (I wish I knew how to put words in bold) FETUS are entirely different. I'm glad nobody's brought religion into this.(Yet) From a purely moral standpoint, I beleive abortion isn't wrong.

 

[Code Monkey]

1-Family guy isnt funny
2-Nothing is wrong with homosexuality
3-The 360 is better than the Ps3 (this ones gunna get a reaction)
4-Transformers 2 is a horrible movie
5-Zero punctuation is still funny
6-Anyone who calls a homeless person a "Bum" is a prick.
7-leetspeak is annoying
8-Fox news is Grade A Shit.
9-Swearing isn't evil, its used for emphasis.
10- Abortions are not murder, or immoral.

Spoiler: Disclaimer:

Anything written in italics is put as a devils advocate, arguing for the sake of arguing. I almost entirely disagree wit everything i say here

8) I've never seen Fox News, being English, but I think you shouldn't call other peoples efforts shit till you've tried it yourself

I will take one particular story as an example. Before mass effect came out, Fox news caught on that there was-Here we go-Sex in the game. Heres what they reported.
The game will have "Full digital nudity" and "The most realistic sex acts ever conceived"
Mass effect is a 30 hour epic with a 40 SECOND sex scene, and its PG-13 at most!

Now, think abut this: If they can be this wrong about gaming, just imagine
How wrong they can be about more important things? If you watch Farenheit 9/11 then you'll find out. It's possible that they single handedly ruined the world. I'm not even joking, it's partialy because of them Bush got elected.I think we can ALL agree that that didn't help anybody.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

A fetus can't think, a six year old can, a fetus is barely more than a parasite while an six year old can be put to work. a child can live outside the mother, while a fetus can not.

if you can't feed the child or raise it, then the it's better to kill it prior to acquiring a mind than to have it starve when it's outside.

and in regard to the Fox News thing... just do a search for "Fox News" + "error"
When they screw up, they tend to ignore it. Other stations, even newspapers will fess up that they screw up and provide retractions. That network doesn't and tends to get aggressive to any that calls them out on it.

I'll even provide an example
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/fox-parody/

 

[revolverwolf]

A fetus can't think, a six year old can, a fetus is barely more than a parasite while an six year old can be put to work. a child can live outside the mother, while a fetus can not.

if you can't feed the child or raise it, then the it's better to kill it prior to acquiring a mind than to have it starve when it's outside.

Uh... Why not simply put the child up for adoption if you feel you can't look after it properly?

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

you want me to suffer a nine month pregnancy, with a possible loss of job for something I'm never going to see again?

 

[revolverwolf]

you want me to suffer a nine month pregnancy, with a possible loss of job for something I'm never going to see again?

A) Possible loss of job? Why would anyone lose their job over a pregnancy?

B) Because going through pregnancy is surely better than having killed something, even if it wasn't quite human.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

a)knew a pregnant wife that lost her job while she was on maternity leave and it was considered legal because she wasn't the only one fired... she went three different lawyers before she gave up. in the end she didn't even want the job back, just the lost wages.

b)nope. killing something is better than suffering.

 

[revolverwolf]

A) Ouch... That's tough. But one or two cases is not cause to discredit the advantage of simply putting the child up for adoption. It doesn't sound like the company even wanted her there that much either way, so the pregnancy is irrelevant.

B) That is a highly selfish outlook. You'd really deny something the right to live just to save yourself nine months of pain?

 

[sky14kemea]

B) That is a highly selfish outlook. You'd really deny something the right to live just to save yourself nine months of pain?

Pregnancy isnt 9 months of solid pain... you get the occasional cramps, and backaches and mood swings, and food cravings, but the last one isnt physically painful XD

the only really bad bit is at the end when you're actually in labor and giving birth.

but yeah I agree with you, I'd rather go through that then willingly kill something, even if i never saw him/her again =[

 

[thepj]

A fetus can't think, a six year old can, a fetus is barely more than a parasite while an six year old can be put to work. a child can live outside the mother, while a fetus can not.

if you can't feed the child or raise it, then the it's better to kill it prior to acquiring a mind than to have it starve when it's outside.

Uh... Why not simply put the child up for adoption if you feel you can't look after it properly?

cause some people just don't feel that they can go through with that, having to give up the child (reasearch has proved that the pain of giving birth creates attachment bettween mother and child for some reason) and think it's kinder to have anabortion than risk the kid getting abused by somone that might adopt it.

i personaly have no problem with abortion and don't care about the view of others on the topic

 

[thepj]

just read the thread properly and i must say to the above 2^

look at the saw sieres, the guy put people in the situation where they can suffer or die, not quite the same but my point is: if you had the choice bettween killing a parasite that can't think for itself or being put through suffer ing, geee i wonder which most everybody would pick? just food for thought

 

[revolverwolf]

look at the saw sieres, the guy put people in the situation where they can suffer or die, not quite the same but my point is: if you had the choice bettween killing a parasite that can't think for itself or being put through suffer ing, geee i wonder which most everybody would pick? just food for thought

The difference is that Saw is a bad snuff-fest, pregnancy is part of nature.

Besides, the parasite becomes a living, breathing, thinking human child. Not some kind of under-being. The pain is mild, at best, for most of the nine months.

 

[thepj]

look at the saw sieres, the guy put people in the situation where they can suffer or die, not quite the same but my point is: if you had the choice bettween killing a parasite that can't think for itself or being put through suffer ing, geee i wonder which most everybody would pick? just food for thought

The difference is that Saw is a bad snuff-fest, pregnancy is part of nature.

Besides, the parasite becomes a living, breathing, thinking human child. Not some kind of under-being. The pain is mild, at best, for most of the nine months.

ok the saw bit was a bad way to make my point. but still, can you honestly say you wouldn't kill a parasite to save yourself? no matter what the parasite grows into be it a retarded social reject or a briliant siceintist the point is that YOU DON'T KNOW. would you feel comfortable burdening a woman with something that MIGHT grow up to be a complete faliure and just ruin her life? or something that MIGHT end up going through a seires of homes and not get adopted then be turfed out on to the streets when it's older? my point is this: if a woman wants to have an abortion then id don't see why you should propose to stop her. isn't choice what free will is all about?

 

[Ultracake]

1-Family guy isnt funny
2-Nothing is wrong with homosexuality
3-The 360 is better than the Ps3 (this ones gunna get a reaction)
4-Transformers 2 is a horrible movie
5-Zero punctuation is still funny
6-Anyone who calls a homeless person a "Bum" is a prick.
7-leetspeak is annoying
8-Fox news is Grade A Shit.
9-Swearing isn't evil, its used for emphasis.
10- Abortions are not murder, or immoral.

1. Your usually right
2. True
3. Agreed
4. Haven't seen it but your probably right
5. True
6. I dont care enough to answer this
7. True
8. I agree
9. F*ck yeah B*tchT*ts
10. Agreed

 

[lostclause]

2)Homosexuality is unnatural, as it is essentially a drive to have sex for pleasure without reproduction, and thus a perversion of the very purpose of the pleasure, which is to encourage reproduction

I know you don't actually agree with this (at least that's what I think your disclaimer said), but this is a flawed argument. Pleasure can come from things other than sex and reproduction so pleasure's purpose cannot be reproduction (at least not solely). People gain pleasure from victory at sports, does that mean success is unnatural?

 

[Code Monkey]

1-Family guy isnt funny
2-Nothing is wrong with homosexuality
3-The 360 is better than the Ps3 (this ones gunna get a reaction)
4-Transformers 2 is a horrible movie
5-Zero punctuation is still funny
6-Anyone who calls a homeless person a "Bum" is a prick.
7-leetspeak is annoying
8-Fox news is Grade A Shit.
9-Swearing isn't evil, its used for emphasis.
10- Abortions are not murder, or immoral.

1. Your usually right
2. True
3. Agreed
4. Haven't seen it but your probably right
5. True
6. I dont care enough to answer this
7. True
8. I agree
9. F*ck yeah B*tchT*ts
10. Agreed

Alright, listen. If you agree with everything I put down, then you post your own opinion on different matters.

 

[Code Monkey]

B) That is a highly selfish outlook. You'd really deny something the right to live just to save yourself nine months of pain?

Pregnancy isnt 9 months of solid pain... you get the occasional cramps, and backaches and mood swings, and food cravings, but the last one isnt physically painful XD

the only really bad bit is at the end when you're actually in labor and giving birth.

but yeah I agree with you, I'd rather go through that then willingly kill something, even if i never saw him/her again =[

How would you feel about giving the life youve been protecting and caring for, then going through hours of pain for, to total strangers? Probably a little worse than Aborting it.

 

[IcePho3nix]

10- Abortions are not murder, or immoral.

I agree with this. The world population, despite there already being abortions (though war and genocide REALLY don't help), continues to grow fairly steadily. There are over four billion people living on this planet (that is an extreme approximation), so a few hundred abortions are hardly doing damage it seems to me. [sarcasm] Hell, some of the monsters who consider abortions are probably thinking wisely to put the little bastard out of its misery before it incurs the misery that parent would inflict upon it.[/sarcasm]

However, I don't believe abortions are almost ever necessary. The only time I can think an abortion is necessary is if physical harm would happen to the mother or the child during birthing. Not PAIN, since that's a part of labor, but actual damage.

 

[IcePho3nix]

2)Homosexuality is unnatural, as it is essentially a drive to have sex for pleasure without reproduction, and thus a perversion of the very purpose of the pleasure, which is to encourage reproduction

I know you don't actually agree with this (at least that's what I think your disclaimer said), but this is a flawed argument. Pleasure can come from things other than sex and reproduction so pleasure's purpose cannot be reproduction (at least not solely). People gain pleasure from victory at sports, does that mean success is unnatural?

I think by pleasure he meant sex drive. Nice try though.

 

[Code Monkey]

10- Abortions are not murder, or immoral.

I agree with this. The world population, despite there already being abortions (though war and genocide REALLY don't help), continues to grow fairly steadily. There are over four billion people living on this planet (that is an extreme approximation), so a few hundred abortions are hardly doing damage it seems to me. [sarcasm] Hell, some of the monsters who consider abortions are probably thinking wisely to put the little bastard out of its misery before it incurs the misery that parent would inflict upon it.[/sarcasm]

However, I don't believe abortions are almost ever necessary. The only time I can think an abortion is necessary is if physical harm would happen to the mother or the child during birthing. Not PAIN, since that's a part of labor, but actual damage.

Eh, just to let you know, There are about seven billion people in the world.