App Turns Your Phone Into an Illegal Portable PlayStation

monnes

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Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon said:
Billion Backs said:
Think about it!
It could be PS1 today PS3 tomorow.
Openly supporting piracy is openly supporting CRIME!
They deserve whatever sueing comes to them!
You break the law, you pay the price!
These people are going to learn that the hard way.
What do you mean it doesn't ruin gaming?
Should not the people who spent time and money on making a game get what they earned?
Theses people are glorified criminals.
And I will defend that belief to the end.
Bring your greatest argument!
Your short sentences and new lines everywhere are terribly annoying.

Anyways; Please tell me who loses in this situation. This "crime" is victimless, and serves no use, and while the laws should still apply to games which are still being sold in stores, it's pointless in this case. And the people who spent time and money making games should certainly get what they earned, but that's no longer relevant when the game has been out of production for over 10 years.
 

Nalgas D. Lemur

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Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon said:
Uberjoe19 said:
Wow, hopefully the developers of the app don't get sued back into the Stone Age.
Hopefully they don't?
Don't you mean hopefully they do?
Piracy=bad.
Piracy ruins gaming.
I paid hard cash for my PS3 version of FFVII and so should everyone else nomatter what platform they are using!
So yeah, this is bad.
That's patently ridiculous. I paid hard cash for my PSX version of FF7 (well, technically my friend gave me his when he didn't want it anymore, but he paid for it, and I did pay for the other PSX games I still own like LoM and a few others), and I'll be damned if I'm going to buy yet another copy when I can just stick the CD in my computer instead.

Sure, making free copies of things you don't own instead of paying them is no good, but I'm so not re-buying the same game over and over when the one I have works fine already, just like I'm not re-buying songs I own on CD on iTunes or Amazon or wherever when I can rip the disc myself.

Now, if they release an enhanced version or something, that's another story. I would not have bought an un-altered re-release of the first Monkey Island game, but the remake was worth the $5 to me.

What's kind of funny about all this is that the only reason I own any PSX games in the first place is that there was an emulator that I could use to play them on my computer with. There weren't enough games I wanted to justify buying the console itself, but the emulator made it worth it to buy games for a console I didn't even own, which probably benefited Sony in the long run, since they still got the licensing fee for the game but didn't lose money from selling me a console at a loss.
 

Xersues

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Whine whine this ruins gaming. Because "pirating" a 10 year old game you'd have a hell of a time buying on your phone, or you own it and want to play it on your phone.

I for one support this kind of development, have a stack of PS1 games I'd like to play on a better medium. If Sony wanted my money they'd release them onto the PS3/PSP, they also stopped the backwards compatibility.

Until then, fuck them, I'm going to play them as I wish, and all you supporting draconian laws about software that essentially fuck over the end consumer aren't gaining anything. Is there some prize for screaming I'm the holiest, lawpullerouttass guy that I'm not aware of?

Certainly there's a trophy or achievement for that.
 

Nimbus

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aaron552 said:
Nimbus said:
#3: Depending on whether (or not*): it may the app:
a) Comes with a ripped PSX BIOS
or b) Requires you to provide your own BIOS
It may be illegal in and of itself, or merely using it without ripping your own PSX BIOS may be illegal.

*It may use some sort of new emulation which doesn't require any PSX BIOS, in which case it is PERFECTLY legal.
If it doesn't require a PSX BIOS, then of course it's legal. If you do need a BIOS ROM and it's any similar to pcsx2 (a PS2 emulator for PC) then unless you rip the BIOS from a console you own, it's definitely illegal.
But the user, not the developer is committing a crime, and an untraceable, quasi-victimless one at that. Making the software, in and of itself, legal.
 

TheLostSkeleton

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Throwing another chip in to the "If you own the physical discs and make the ISOs from games you actually own, it's not piracy" hat. I'm sure there are people who want you to believe it's illegal, but those are the same kinds of people that wanted to outlaw consumer-grade VHS tapes back in the 1980's.
 

UberNoodle

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If we are legally allowed to format shift music and movies, then we should be able to format shift games.

* By at least Australian law, consumers are allowed to copy their media for the purpose of format shifting, ie, CD/DVD to iPod. PsX to Android should be allowed.
 

Dark_Kitsune

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So... someone made an emulator for Droid that plays PSX games. Am I missing something here? o3o

Are you going to start running articles for the PSX emus of Wii, PS2, PC, iPhone (et cetera) too, or is there something that makes this particular version so fucking interesting? >.>

On another note, I laugh at the fool who pays six dollars for an emulator. These things are meant to be free for the community. xD
 

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PhunkyPhazon said:
Meh, I view pirating PS1 games the same way I do any game that came out before the year 2000. So long as whatever game you want to play isn't up for re-sale on a download service, then whoop-de-do. Developers aren't making money off of them anyways.
What if it came out on the 01/01/2001?

Edit: Realised I didn't contribute, why does the title say Illegal if it's perfectly legal? I'd steal a car if I could (though I could probably argue piracy isn't morally bad, using the victimless, not going to pay for it in the first place, no one loses out, only possibly gains from my free word-of-mouth advertising). Personally, I don't have a phone, so this is irrelevant to me.
 

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PhunkyPhazon said:
Meh, I view pirating PS1 games the same way I do any game that came out before the year 2000. So long as whatever game you want to play isn't up for re-sale on a download service, then whoop-de-do. Developers aren't making money off of them anyways.
They are still up for sale. Sony, and Nintendo have stores on their systems that offer many of these older games for sale. However I don't see why Sony doesn't just start selling the roms on the store for $5-10. Would make a hell of a lot more sense to me then trying to prevent something like this from being sold. So what if they can't implement DRM on them. It's not like its going to do any good at this point and at least they can make some money off the honest people. This isn't people who would have bought in the fist place, this isn't people moddding their consoles and pirate them. This is a new market.

I love the open format of the Andriod OS and some of the droids are powerhouses, but I already really like the Microsoft phone. I just can't decide which one I am going to get. Things like this keep making me favor the driods more.

Arawn.Chernobog said:
Further PSP pirating? What else is new?

It's not like Sony even cares any-more, the portable Play-Station is pretty much dead and buried.
You didn't read the article did you?

Dark_Kitsune said:
On another note, I laugh at the fool who pays six dollars for an emulator. These things are meant to be free for the community. xD
Really? Free you say? So bleem never cost any money? Or any of the of SNES emulators, how about the few N64 emulators? Which was especially a rip of because half of them didn't work. Just because the few emulators you know of that have survived the course of time where free doesn't mean they never charged for them in the past.
 

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Xersues said:
Whine whine this ruins gaming. Because "pirating" a 10 year old game you'd have a hell of a time buying on your phone, or you own it and want to play it on your phone.

I for one support this kind of development, have a stack of PS1 games I'd like to play on a better medium. If Sony wanted my money they'd release them onto the PS3/PSP, they also stopped the backwards compatibility.

Until then, fuck them, I'm going to play them as I wish, and all you supporting draconian laws about software that essentially fuck over the end consumer aren't gaining anything. Is there some prize for screaming I'm the holiest, lawpullerouttass guy that I'm not aware of?

Certainly there's a trophy or achievement for that.
Actually, the PS3 is still perfectly compatible with PS1 games, no matter which version of the system you have, last I checked.

It's the PS2 backwards compatibility they stupidly removed.
 

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Just wanted to point out that there was already a PSX emulator for iPhones....

Granted you needed a jailbroken phone...

And the emulator kinda sucked...
 

Alpha1Niner

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I never did get to play the old PS1 games. PS2 and up yeah, but missed the old ones. I now have a second chance. :D
 

Danzaivar

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Nimbus said:
#1: Pirated disk-based media are NOT reffered to as "roms", but as "isos".
Files made from disks using the .iso format are iso's. Kinda daft to call a .bin file an ISO. Considering the game copy doesn't save the data within it's own file, ROM is more accurate.
 

Jared

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I can imagine the Sony Legal department might be gettign warmed up for something!
 

Callate

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The ownership of files from media you legally own remains very nebulous and gray-area in a lot of ways, whether you actually got the files from said media or not. Technically the law allows you to have back-up copies of your media; a lot of companies try to subvert this in their licensing agreements (and then there's the question of whether ownership gives you the right to play that media on a different device, and so on.)

Generally it's the sort of thing that falls into that great wasteland of "One probably wouldn't want to be caught doing it, but they're not exactly going to go looking for it"

I'm sure Sony would like you to buy your games (or buy your games again) on a PSP. I have the luxury of not caring, as I've never really been a Sony gamer. But I frankly find anyone getting fire in their nostrils on either side of the issue of someone playing ten-year-old games a little on the silly side.

In a better world, where publishing companies didn't hire large numbers of lobbyists to subvert the political process, any code that had been out for ten years or more and was no longer actively supported by the company responsible would be fair game. As it stands... Yes, there's probably going to be some people downloading games they didn't pay for, but it's hard for me to really believe that Sony's going to find a tiny amount of revenue and potentially a[nother] poor publicity hit is worth starting some kind of massive crackdown over.