Apple and flash.

Deadman Walkin

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I have a question about this big argument. I see in iPhone sites like xSellize and other tech news sites exclaiming how awful flash is. They complain about it crashing and freezing internet browsers constantly, it destroying battery life (possible I don't know) and how overall it slows down everything (not even mobile devices, ALL devices even when not using the internet browser.)

Now honestly ever since I have started using the internet flash has never crashed or locked up a web browser, and also I don't really think flash (which runs for web browsers) really would affect a PC/Mac all that much if a web browser wasn't running. To me it just sounds like a bunch of people defending Steve Jobs and his distaste of flash.

So, does flash crash constantly for you guys? Do you hate flash and all it stands for?
 

crazyguy668

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no, but i hate apple and all it stands for.i have an ipod touch 4, because noone willl make a copy for some reason, however. but i really have a problem with macs, twice the price of a custom buil, or hell even a pre built PC yet not as good. but flash, nothing great. nothing bad
 

Deadman Walkin

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crazyguy668 said:
but i really have a problem with macs, twice the price of a custom buil, or hell even a pre built PC yet not as good.
Funny thing is, I am building a PC (and a damn good one) for $2200CAN. Less then an iMac is here... and the stats are MUCH higher then a Mac.
 

FURY_007

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considering how a shit ton of the internet uses flash...its just apples way of restricting consumers, and their argument that flash isn't good and what not is just them trying to justify Steve Jobs butthurt nature
 

Hellz_Barz

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it's funny cause one of the main arguments for apple computers was that adobe products worked so good on them compared to PC. so everyone wanting to pretend they have mad graphical and artistic skills would get macs.
 

Mellomi

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Mac user here. Not trying to be a fanboy or anything, but I'm pretty sure that for most uses, a Mac works just as well as any PC, but let's not derail the thread on a Mac vs PC war, yes? I don't really care.

OT: Flash has always worked fine for me, barring not bothering to update it. I have no problems with it. It doesn't work for an iPhone, but phone =/= actual computer, so I never expected it to.
 

Eridani74

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Flash actually takes up a huge amount of processing power in comparison with other programs. For example one flash game regularly takes up almost 25% of my processing capability and i have a core i7 processor so that is a lot of processing power for one application. This also causes stability and memory issues. And I'm not an apple fanboy, i use a pc.
 

Valiance

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Eridani74 said:
Flash actually takes up a huge amount of processing power in comparison with other programs. For example one flash game regularly takes up almost 25% of my processing capability and i have a core i7 processor so that is a lot of processing power for one application. This also causes stability and memory issues. And I'm not an apple fanboy, i use a pc.
This 100%.

I hate how poorly optimized flash is, and how badly it runs on hardware that quite honestly would have no trouble rendering a similar-looking application if it was designed well. For example, most flash-games or flash-ads run terrible on any machine with less than 1.0Ghz of processing power, when plenty of games designed to actually access hardware in a reasonable fashion will run amazing on even a 200Mhz processor (Starcraft, Unreal Tournament, Age of Empires, Master of Orion, whatever).

Generally, it's not an issue at all because people are using much more powerful computers these days, but some people aren't, and it's very shitty for people to have to deal with something like speedtest.net taking longer to load than to actually do the test. And, unfortunately, most of my relatives or the parents of my friends have shitty computers or they have managed to screw up their computer somehow. Or even worse, they got some 'cheap' one whose motherboard doesn't have a PCI-Express or even an AGP slot. So they can't even remedy the video-card issue for poorly optimized PCs.

I feel the worst experience is when the flash-based ads bog down a browser. If I had a bandwidth based connection, I'd be aggravated since flash ads take longer to load than the actual site I was attempting to view. It can be very frustrating when advertisements with flash have a roll-over sound or a roll-over popup which is very invasive to a browsing experience. Unfortunately, some places I frequent (not here thankfully) have advertisements or other bells and whistles that make the site take a long time to load, or make scrolling down it slow when using an old laptop or an older computer. Again, it doesn't apply to me personally, but some people's displays only go up to 1024x768 still, and they shouldn't be discriminated against.

However, my biggest peeve with flash is that it isn't optional. Silverlight is not much of a substitute, and even if it was, I hate Microsoft. Flash has already been adopted as the industry "standard" and wouldn't be challenged by a superior product. Even if Silverlight was better, almost any streaming-video site, especially Youtube, wouldn't change what they've got to a better product, because what they have works, and they're making money with the system that's currently in place. Same reason we're still using Coal power plants, using gasoline-powered cars, and that DSL internet goes over the same 150-year old copper wire as the land-line in your house.

Also, while I'm on it, Adobe AIR is bullshit. I don't want flash in my browser - why would I want it on my desktop? If you've ever played League of Legends, you'll understand this completely. The launcher is buggy, unresponsive, poorly animated, just like most flash apps.

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But here's the important thing: No matter how little I like flash, I still need it. For videos, and videos alone. Youtube, Hulu, Gametrailers, blip.tv, anywhere. Sure, it does other stuff, but most of the time I can find a substitute or non-flash version. However, some companies just build their site on flash. Even downloading drivers can occasionally need flash these days. Flash was in fact king of the internet, but now people are doing more shit with javascript. I hate JS too, but I hate it less then flash, so it's an improvement to me. Beats watching a video in flash for it to slow down and chop up DUE TO FLASH ADS MOVING ON THE SAME PAGE.

So it's good to have. But I guess you don't really need it. But I dislike it either way.

THAT SAID, most smartphones have some sort of 'Youtube' app, and you wouldn't need flash for it. So other than that, I'd probably live without it.

Edit:
Addition:

http://i41.tinypic.com/f9l942.jpg
http://blog.theflashblog.com/images/ipud.jpg

This is why I think flash is bullshit. I don't want to look at any of that shit on my desktop let alone my phone. Other than maybe Hulu, which again, there's an app for. So I don't think it even needs to be on a phone at the moment. Especially considering how poorly it runs on a desktop pc, I don't even want to think about how high-volume advertisements work on a phone...
 

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Flash is bearable. Hasn't really created many problems for me. I always figured that Apple was opposed to Flash simply because having Flash would make all their apps redundant. And since people pay for apps, naturally Apple wouldn't want that.