Apple being anticompetitive yet again.

[cleverlymadeup]

DX10 being Vista-only compatible is due to XP's poor display driver implementation. Jeez, there are much better examples of Microsoft doing something like that...Just like every other company out there.

wrong they made dx10 vista only so they would force gamers to upgrade to vista, it backfired as most developers are NOT developing dx10 games, yes some have but they look just about the same as they do on dx 9 so there's no point in spending the forced upgrade to vista a frame or two with more expensive hardware

And why do so many of you gamers talk about computers as if you actually know anything about them? Fondling your WASD keys doesn't make you an IT scholar (not that I'm one either).

cause frankly i DO know something about them

as for the topic on hand, apple is famous for charging a LOT more for a computer that does less than a computer at half the cost using windows or linux

 

[Zac_Dai]

Meh its fair to a point.

Apples business model seems to be about offering the complete package, hardware, OS and software so that it all "just works" as one of those adds says. So I can kind of understand why they don't like third party apps on the iphone and seeing as they built the hardware and the software for it you can't say they are anti competitive.

Microsoft just gives you an OS, a PC will run numerous other OS like Linux quite happily. They make software as well but its generally shit and as long as Office sells well I don't think they care too much about everyone using FF instead of IE.

Hmm think I might have to edit this post tomorrow. I'm damn tired and not sure if any of that makes sense.

 

[Byrne]

Urgh, I want to keep this on topic but I need to correct things. The reason no DX10 game looks significantly different is because no developer can build a game from the ground up dx10, and dx10 only and hope to make a profit.

However it should allow for some good things in the future, with dx11 on the way and it being completely backwards compatible with dx10 hardware we might see something done.

 

[Byrne]

Also : Zac_Dai. If Microsoft bundled good software into the OS they'd be accused of being anti competitive.

Hello Windows Media player.

 

[Byrne]

People do end up being in it for money. You think the employees of places like Firefox are unpaid?

 

[Bluntknife]

All I am saying is why do people hate apple? Yeah Bill Gates is great made the best operating system, gave away billions of dollars. Apple made the first PC, they made the iPod which I'm sure every bashes but almost everyone has. All I say is why do people hate apple?

I'm pretty sure its not that we hate apple its that we hate the people who use mac's
they always seem to think they're better than pc users.
also my personal hatred of apple comes from its attack ads. And the problem is uneducated people take them as truth which annoys me on a personal basis (I work in a tech shop and get asked alot stuipid questions all the time)

 

[Brett Alex]

They get attacked for their tactics, whereas Apple don't.

I'm not trying to put forward the notion that Microsoft's business policy's are better.

Well when Apple start dominating the home computer market significantly, I'm sure they will be attacked for their business practices.

Why do you think Apple aren't at the moment? Maybe its because no one cares? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome]

 

[Byrne]

That was an interesting read, cheerz marra.

 

[Si1icon]

I hate Apple because, and quite frankly, Macs suck. I went through 3 in high school. They would always lock up while booting up, the passwords to log onto would constantly auto reset, they'd lock up, time out, and crash while using programs they were apparently built solely to run. Not to mention it would constantly crash while saving documents meaning the videos I had been working on were lost, it would crash while loading a program, it would crash while not even being touched. It would constantly save files in the wrong area and make them inaccessible, it would "misplace" saved files- LOOK THEY JUST SUCK!

I wonder what mac you were using or perhaps what you did to it! I've used my G5 for about two and a half years, nearly every single day, with it crashing very few times. We have a decent(ish) pc which has crashed more times in a year than my mac has.

 

[NeedAUserName]

I like apple, I'm on a Mac right now. There is nothing wrong with them, sure they can't run everything; if you want to do some windows game just boot up the old XP or Vista partition. The OS does not suck and saying that it cant run things before OSX, why don'i you go play Spore on Windows 98?If it would even work. I never got why people don't like apples, I ask people I know and they just say "they suck" and then i ask "why" and they always say "because they suck" i don't know where all the hate for apple comes from. Maybe I'll start a "Why all the hate on Apple" thread.
PS I would call Microsoft pretty good competition for apple.

Agreed, and I'm on a mac right now too. And I don't play a lot of games on my computer anyway, I get all my games on the PS3

 

[Byrne]

I hate Apple because, and quite frankly, Macs suck. I went through 3 in high school. They would always lock up while booting up, the passwords to log onto would constantly auto reset, they'd lock up, time out, and crash while using programs they were apparently built solely to run. Not to mention it would constantly crash while saving documents meaning the videos I had been working on were lost, it would crash while loading a program, it would crash while not even being touched. It would constantly save files in the wrong area and make them inaccessible, it would "misplace" saved files- LOOK THEY JUST SUCK!

I wonder what mac you were using or perhaps what you did to it! I've used my G5 for about two and a half years, nearly every single day, with it crashing very few times. We have a decent(ish) pc which has crashed more times in a year than my mac has.

Its easy not to crash when only using first party software.

 

[cleverlymadeup]

*sigh*

Without rewriting Windows XP from the groundup (which is practically impossible), it would be impossible for DX10 to work.

Read, read, read:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480220.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model

right and m$, who was convicted of antitrust (several times), is to be trusted? they've lied and been caught lying many times

funny that the wikipedia article has a big warning stating it's in need of an expert on the subject to clarify it, which means they don't trust the sources they have

also updating a graphical driver framework is possible to do in a pre-existing system, it's something known as a patch

 

[fangoram]

I find apple is over priced. for school we had a number of options that we had to pick from through the school and the macs were 0ver $300 more and not quite as good spec wise. granted the pcs aren't that great either

 

[Byrne]

Just out of curiosity, is there any reason Spore couldn't run on Tiger?

 

[theklng]

why i hate apple? overpriced goods, bad goods, the notion that if you have to change the battery on your iphone, you have to send it back to them, and so on, blabla. lots of the same fucking negative stuff. though, the reason i don't like apple the most is because they choose looks over performance and/or compatability. also, their fanbase seem to be composed entirely by people with IQs below 100.

there's been one guy who pretty much nailed apple for what the fanbase is:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

 

[Byrne]

Also, is it not anticompetitive not to sell the OS separately, forcing you to buy the hardware from Apple?

 

[cleverlymadeup]

Being convicted of antitrust and being trustworthy are two completely different things. And Microsoft has no reason, motive, or advantage to lie to the developers who they rely upon for their OS ecosystem to actually work.

sure they do it's so they can sell and push vista on ppl, aka they want to make more money so they lie about features and what their os "can" or "can't" do, it's not like they haven't done it before

try looking up the smb protocol and the euro antitrust thing for a little more clarity on what they've claimed their os "can" and "can't" do and then is "magically" able to do once the threat of millions of dollars in fines are levied against them

also updating a graphical driver framework is possible to do in a pre-existing system, it's something known as a patch

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/wpf/thread/02dbd024-d45b-4ce0-8301-f04edc90f05e/

...But do you have any contrasting proof of this?

well linux, bsd and mac can all do it, i'm pretty sure that microsoft can as well, it's what service packs are for

Every source I have read has said that it is completely impossible, without an extensive and utterly pointless rehaul of the OS, to port WDDM to XP.

That's why attempts to port DreamScene to XP just don't compare in terms of resources used. In fact, XP, with its lack of WDDM, takes up far more resources in trying to emulate Vista WDDM features like HD DreamScene wallpaper, multiple layers of transparency, or taskbar previews of HD video.

But no, post some proof, since you know, the burden rests upon you.

ok so you'll only post m$ backed links, who have a vested interest in pushing their new os on ppl and getting rid of the old one

they could easily have a dx10 version running as fast if m$ wants but they wish to push vista, hence why they say "it can't be done", if they had open protocols and documentation then yes it would be very easy to make dx10

 

[Byrne]

^ Prove it?

 

[Byrne]

No answer, lawl.