APPLE: What's the fuzz with Flash?

[CyberAkuma]

It is difficult to have a thing or two to say about the current fuzz about Apple officially assaulting Adobe Flash [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97912-Apples-Steve-Jobs-Calls-Out-Google-Adobe] calling it - nicely - an unstable piece of crap and thus starting the flamewar why the iPad outright refuses to support Flash.

Now here's a couple of things I do not understand:
I have been using PCs for nearly over twenty years.
I've seen both the good and the bad side of PCs on countless occasions and to my knowledge Flash has never crashed a computer. I have on extremely few occasions had a web-browser crash because of Flash but for the most of the time the only thing affected if Flash crashes is the Flash animation quite simply not showing.

Mind you, that the frequency of Flash crashing on me is microscopic; of such miniscule proportions that they don't hold a candle to the by far more normal problems I've encountered with PCs.

Now I am not the one to defend Flash. Frankly, I am quite interested in a well-constructed argument and well-informed reasons why Flash is such an immense disaster of astronomical proportions on Macs (or at least that's how Steve Jobs puts it).

Browsing for the web, I cannot find a single solid article or blog or even a fraction of a thread discussing the flaws of Adobe Flash in a manner that makes sense to me.
All I can find is comments that are borderline trollish [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMt2gUpr1Lk]: "Flash sucks!", "Stupid programmers!", "Worst piece of sh*t ever!" etc.
It's as if Apple thinks that Adobe should suit Apples needs, and not the other way around.

On the other side; Apple has been known for releasing God-Awful software to PCs. QuickTime and iTunes comes immediately to mind.
They are countless reason why iTunes isn't regarded as a good music manager or music player. The fact that they are triple-digit iTunes alternatives for PCs is proof for this.
They are a lot of solid reasons why iTunes is bad on PCs, a lot of webpages that form a well-constructed and an significantly interesting in-depth analysis of why iTunes is not a choice among PC users and what iTunes lack. And what problems exist with iTunes the PC community tries to fix it.

I knew Steve Jobs was full of himself when Apple claimed that it was all Adobes fault that Flash doesn't run well on OS-X, but the fact that the endless Apple minions out there is willing to follow his cause is beyond my understanding.

Why is it globally accepted that Flash on Macs is crap and it's all Adobes fault? And why isn't it accepted that Apple software on PCs run terribly bad?

Why is Flash on Macs the equivalent of herpes?

 

[Doitpow]

Flash has a tendency to re-write code in a way that is acceptable on PC's (which have quite fluid code) but is very damaging to Mac's.

A PC is a waterwheel. Putting oil in it doesn't affect it.
A MAC is a Combustion engine, put even the wrong kind of oil in it and it breaks.

 

[The King And His Fool]

I wouldn't say it's just a problem between Apple and Adobe.
Have you tried to run flash in your 64bit browser on your 64 bit operating system, be it vista, windows 7 or whatever?
It shouldn't be Apple that makes flash work in their OS. Flash is used in webapplications and should be viewable from whichever system and browser (which supports standards, ofcourse) the user choses. Flash isn't a standard. Flash requires a plug-in. I can see why not everyone is happy with it.

That and webpages loaded with Flash were and still are a nuissance to browse.

 

[Nalgas D. Lemur]

Flash is the only thing that I can reliably, consistently, and reproducibly crash my PC (running Win7) with. Not just the browser, but some display subsystem stuff at times, too. Despite that, the Windows version of it is so much better than the Mac version it's depressing. Adobe complained that Apple didn't help them with some stuff they needed for hardware acceleration of video decoding in the upcoming new version of Flash. That does not surprise me and is not really Adobe's fault. That's kind of evading the problem, though, because the current version, and all previous ones, are dramatically slower on OS X than Windows, even on the same hardware, and even when other cross-platform stuff runs fairly similarly on both. I mean, it's so bad that you can't play back videos without them stuttering on hardware that could encode them faster than real-time. They should be embarrassed by that. I have a friend working at Adobe who has pretty much said that the Mac version is crap, even for the internal development he's done. It may work, but it does not work well, and at least part of the problem is on Adobe's end.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Gotta love Quicktime on Windows. Only program that gave me repeated BSoD, so I switched to VLC. Hope no iPad users want to watch videos on the internet, since .flv seems to be the dominating format.

 

[VanityGirl]

Because it's globally accepted that almost everything on Macs runs like shit. if apple didn't make it, it's unlikely to run right. this is still Adobe's fault, if they'd just open flash dev up, linux would get better drivers >_<

^^This, a nice, simple and true explaination.


I wish they'd make a way for me to get flash on my iPhone. I'm actually starting to regret the purchase because its uses are so limited.
God forbid we use Microsoft word or flash on an iPhone, it might explode.

 

[Mushroomfreak111]

I) don't mind flash at all, never had any problems with it. But I also don't use Mac, not in a long time anyway.

Because it's globally accepted that almost everything on Macs runs like shit. if apple didn't make it, it's unlikely to run right. this is still Adobe's fault, if they'd just open flash dev up, linux would get better drivers >_<

^^This, a nice, simple and true explaination.


I wish they'd make a way for me to get flash on my iPhone. I'm actually starting to regret the purchase because its uses are so limited.
God forbid we use Microsoft word or flash on an iPhone, it might explode.

A friend of mines iPhone did explode, if it was because of flash or Word I don't know =P.

Why is the iPad so great and revolutionary? It's too small to be a PC, to big to be a phone or pocketPC... It's like a really expencive and advanced super-newspaper. The lanuch had me disapointed, I was waiting for something truly greatand revolutionary, like the neatly shaped and designed ICar, or the new userfrendly iGun.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Flash isn't that great but I wouldn't install any Apple software on my PC. It's all unstable stuff with a terrible mismatched user interface that also happens to be slow and bloated. Then you get to things like iPhone where apparently you can't even make your own software without it being "approved" by Apple. My experience of using Flash on Linux was superior.

 

[Superbeast]

The lanuch had me disapointed, I was waiting for something truly greatand revolutionary, like the neatly shaped and designed ICar, or the new userfrendly iGun.

The iGun could be a massive market-breaker. There are a load of "AppleWhores" out in the big wide world and there are a lot of gun owners too. That's a fairly big market (going with stereotypes for simplicity, the two markets don't overlap as Apple is aimed at more "hippy" and the guns are aimed at more "redneck conservative"). And you know what they say:

Smith and Wesson was the original point-and-click interface.