Good old games are better then bad new ones yes, it's not like there weren't any bad games before.
Are older games better? Or is that just the Nostalgia talking?
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Final Fantasy 7 is possibly the most enjoyable game I have ever played. Also Suikoden (yes the first one, no I am not a grandma -.-) is a bloody amazing game with great gameplay and involving storyline. Secret of Mana and Chrono Trigger are also very good and I find them enjoyable to play even now. Link's Amwakening on the Snes is massively fun and in my opinion Twilight Princess, which I thought felt extremely linear, doesn't even come close to it. (The Zelda games on the N64 were pretty awesome mind)
The only game I have seen match up to them was Dragon Quest IX on the DS. That's not just nostalgia for me. I know what I want in a game and it's adventure. Here's to Skyrim being a thing of substance and not just of beauty *raises glass*
The only game I have seen match up to them was Dragon Quest IX on the DS. That's not just nostalgia for me. I know what I want in a game and it's adventure. Here's to Skyrim being a thing of substance and not just of beauty *raises glass*
You can not generalize entire eras being better, that's like saying special effects were better for 80's movies when clearly there were a lot of shitty effects outweighing the good ones.
For every Zelda, Monkey Island etc. there were many absolutely dreadful games. Today there is actually a better balance of decent games at least, I'm quite satisfied with what we have.
So yes, nostalgia talking, but I love nostalgia.
For every Zelda, Monkey Island etc. there were many absolutely dreadful games. Today there is actually a better balance of decent games at least, I'm quite satisfied with what we have.
So yes, nostalgia talking, but I love nostalgia.
Time is a great Crap Filter.EcHoFiiVe said:
I also think nostalgia creeps in there, as people remember the impact of a game, rather than the game itself. A truly revolutionary game with slightly dodgy controls and aged graphics will be better remembered than some of the technically superior successors. But hand say GTA III and Saints Row 2 to a newbie and see which one he thinks is the better game.
Sure, last time I checked chess still rocked.
But on a serious note: the main culprit for nostalgia is that we compare all the games in (for example) 2010 to the 10 best games of the 30 years before that. We conveniently forget the truckloads of bad games that were made during those "golden" years.
But on a serious note: the main culprit for nostalgia is that we compare all the games in (for example) 2010 to the 10 best games of the 30 years before that. We conveniently forget the truckloads of bad games that were made during those "golden" years.
In a word: definitely. Modern games I feel don't have enough variation, and they give a feeling that everything's been done. Plus, spin-off games have become a popular creation, and they're not all that good. Old school games have a sense of originality, and they feel as if they're trying to cater for the player rather than their bank accounts. Also, newer games trying and make the graphics look so realistic that they're forgotten that games are often used as real world escapes, whereas old games look like they're gone 'fuck graphics, let's pour all of our money into the "ZOMG this is fun!" department'.
Longer campaigns, originality, open-ended/ open-world gameplay and far better game design are the ones talking, actually.
Oh, and Mr. No-tacked-on-multiplayer.
Oh, and Mr. No-tacked-on-multiplayer.
The reason it seems that way is because your brain is wired to think that way. Our memories naturally, purposefully forget crappy things, frustrations, and miseries, because it makes our lives easier. If we could remember all of our sad things just as clearly as we do the good things, we would eventually be buried under the weight of all the sorrow and end up killing ourselves. So we are keyed to remember good and forget bad.
The same is true of video games. I remember when Tomb Raider 2 was offered as a download on the PSN. I snatched it up right away and hunkered down to play. After about fifteen minutes, the lack of analog sticks made me want to stab my eyes out of my head. Back in the day, TR2 was the bomb. Now, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't wipe my ass with it -- because I forgot about the shitty controls.
Also, Kargathia speaks truth. People always wonder why music isn't as good as classic rock, and my reply to them is "What you don't hear on your classic rock station is the MOUNTAIN of mediocrity guys like the Stones and CCR had to climb over to be as awesome as they are."
The same is true of video games. I remember when Tomb Raider 2 was offered as a download on the PSN. I snatched it up right away and hunkered down to play. After about fifteen minutes, the lack of analog sticks made me want to stab my eyes out of my head. Back in the day, TR2 was the bomb. Now, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't wipe my ass with it -- because I forgot about the shitty controls.
Also, Kargathia speaks truth. People always wonder why music isn't as good as classic rock, and my reply to them is "What you don't hear on your classic rock station is the MOUNTAIN of mediocrity guys like the Stones and CCR had to climb over to be as awesome as they are."
Most older games were made with a love of what they were doing. Not budget deadlines. (What this means is the programmers used to be in control, now the accountants are) As well alot of games these days are copies of older games with a few touch up's ... the origional idea usually does it a bit better. For some of my really old dos games, they didn't have fancy graphics to fall back on, they had to make it fun or it went no where quick.Ixnay1111 said:
I find Deus Ex to be one of the best shooters ever made, and I didn't play it until last year. So no nostalgia for me there.
i prefer older games because you dont get all the HACKING-BOOSTING SCUM! and most dont have multiplayer at all.
Personally I prefer older games simply because they don't make the sort of games I like anymore. I prefer complex games and haqrdcore RPGs and the more intricate FPS type games like Thief or Deus Ex. However game companies don't make games like that anymore so I'm left having to play older games.
The great games are easier to remember. My personal favorites will (probably) always be the Baldur's Gate series, Dungeon Keeper and Carmageddon 2.Ixnay1111 said:
Great games are still being made, but as always, it depends on the player playing them. I'd say that games like BioShock, Oblivion, Fallout: New Vegas, Civ 4, Warcraft 3 and many more are great. Some being older than other.
I'd call it a little bit of both. Some clasics really are great, and certainly worth the praise they get (like Doom, Castlevania, FFVI) and others are just the nostalgia talking, because they really aren't that good (looking at you, Ocarina of Time). That being said, I honestly find it funny how people get all up in arms when people insult their favorite games from their childhood (kinda like I did up there) and run off some random list of little tidbits about the game that make it miles better than anything else (let's face it, folks: Ocarina of Time sucked in comparison to Wind Waker).
So yeah, Nostalgia is sometimes warented, but other times it's just what we thought of something before something truly great came along, and we couldn't recognize the true greatness for what it is.
So yeah, Nostalgia is sometimes warented, but other times it's just what we thought of something before something truly great came along, and we couldn't recognize the true greatness for what it is.
Well I feel that for games, it is the nostagia talking. But for animation, which I admit is out of left field, it is the truth that the older shows are better.
A good deal of it is nostalgia, but older games had the advantage of the technological limitations. A fully-rendered 3D environment was impossible on the NES, so the gameplay had to be confined to stuff it could do, which was 2D sidescrolling platformers.
I think it was David Warhol, former programmer for Mattel Electronics, that described it best in that these days game design is about hooking up as much as possible to the game engine but back then the cartridges we so small there wasn't much you could hook up to it. So it required playing the game and thinking "Hmm. Was that fun? How could I make it more fun?"
Also the simplicity of older games helps to make them engaging. It's kind of nice to have a simple, stated goal and the means to accomplish it placed right in front of you. Not that Colony 7 is going to replace Black Ops, nor should it. Different activities can scratch different itches.
I think it was David Warhol, former programmer for Mattel Electronics, that described it best in that these days game design is about hooking up as much as possible to the game engine but back then the cartridges we so small there wasn't much you could hook up to it. So it required playing the game and thinking "Hmm. Was that fun? How could I make it more fun?"
Also the simplicity of older games helps to make them engaging. It's kind of nice to have a simple, stated goal and the means to accomplish it placed right in front of you. Not that Colony 7 is going to replace Black Ops, nor should it. Different activities can scratch different itches.