Are we still in a Cold War mindset?

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Heart of Darkness

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A few hours ago, I was discussion sustainability in one of my classes, and we brought up the topic of alternate energy sources. Since the main electrical company in my area has recently decided to raise the rates in order to build a nuclear reactor within the next ten years, I thought it would be appropriate to state my support for the idea to the rest of the class, citing that it was one of the more efficient means of producing energy as well as being cleaner than the current plants. I even brought up the success of nuclear energy in France, where each of its 59 reactors is capable of producing roughly 7 billion kWh/year. [1]

The first response to this was "Yeah, because nukes are great for the environment."

Although I know that nuclear energy isn't necessarily a "clean" energy source due to the production of plutonium and other radioactive materials (some of which can be used to power long-range NASA spacecraft), I was still contested by my classmates, who stated that we should still pursue more plants that generate electricity through either wind or solar means, despite my claims that nuclear energy was far more efficient. Once I got out of class, I started thinking about this topic, and I reached a possible conclusion as to why I was one of the few to support nuclear energy: do we still have a collective mentality that is an artifact of the Cold War era?

Thinking back to the general negativity of nuclear energy to other clean forms of energy, I thought that the answer to this question was a yes. One student in my class also decided to bring up the threat of a failure of one of the reactors, even though there have only been two major threats, one of which posed a serious health risk. I can't help but feel that this negativity to nuclear energy stems not only from the Chernobyl accident, but as well as the perceived threat of a nuclear World War III with Russia.

So, my question to you, fellow users of the Escapist, is simple: do we still live with an outdated mentality that dates from the threat of nuclear Armageddon from the Cold War?

Please note, that, as an American, I ask this from an American standpoint. I do not know what other mentalities were held by other countries during this time. If you had the same mentality as the one I listed here, feel free to comment on that; otherwise, feel free to give comments from an outsider's perspective.

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[1] World Nuclear Association. Nuclear Power in France. http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf40.html. Accessed 20 October 2009.
 

Good morning blues

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People are resistant to nuclear power because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, not because of fear of nuclear war. I think that's a fear that the world population has lost over the last twenty years.
 

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Yeah I agree with Good morning blues.... yes, us Americans may be a little nervous about nuclear power plants (I know that honestly I am a little bit haha, but that's my right :p). However, the cold war mindset was mostly brought around from not only a fear of nuclear war, but a fear that communism would take over America, do you still have that fear? I mean that in the sense of yes we know that nuclear war is possible, but considering that the word nuke isn't taboo anymore I believe we are pretty much over our cold war mentality. I could be wrong though.
 

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I wouldn't say it has anything to do with the cold war mindset, it's just that we can all generally agree that, as your classmate pointed out, nukes are indeed bad for the environment. And when people here nuclear, in any context, they think of nukes.
 

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I think that you are mistaken about the "cold war mentality" but I agree with your stance on Nuclear energy. It is a great source of cheap energy that is non-polluting for the most part, and provides a lot of power, and is not dependent on the wind or the sun.
 

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Why people don't like nuclear reactors:

1. Uranium mining is really, really, REALLY bad for the environment, my country is right now deciding whether to dig the world's biggest hole and contaminate local underground water supplies for thousands of years in the name of mining and selling uranium for a cheap buck
2. Radioactive waste is a logistical nightmare to dispose of
3. More radioactive material floating about the place means a greater chance of it being used for nefarious purposes
4. Nuclear reactors can kill thousands of people if not properly managed, "serious health risk" is an understatement, try "thousands of people dead from cancer and radiation exposure, a whole town wiped off the map, millions of acres of contaminated landscape and over half a million people exposed to radiation"
5. Other energy sources that are genuinely clean do exist and don't have these types of drawbacks
 

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BonsaiK said:
Why people don't like nuclear reactors:

1. Uranium mining is really, really, REALLY bad for the environment, my country is right now deciding whether to dig the world's biggest hole and contaminate local underground water supplies for thousands of years in the name of mining and selling uranium for a cheap buck
2. Radioactive waste is a logistical nightmare to dispose of
These are the major reasons that nuclear power isn't the #1 source of energy everywhere, in my opinion.

If your classmates had brought up something along the lines of "we have no way to get rid of the waste", they'd be thinking. But the comment about nukes seems to indicate that they really aren't informed.
 

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Meh. I'm British, so the Cold War didn't really affect me much. But, generally, no. I think Nuclear power could help etc. and I don't live in fear that 'the rooskies' are going to blow me to tiny little pieces.
 

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Good morning blues said:
People are resistant to nuclear power because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, not because of fear of nuclear war. I think that's a fear that the world population has lost over the last twenty years.
Not to mention the dozens of other incedents that you don't hear about. Wonder why the nuclear power plant near you hasn't been operating? Research, and you will probably get scared.
 

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mornal said:
BonsaiK said:
Why people don't like nuclear reactors:

1. Uranium mining is really, really, REALLY bad for the environment, my country is right now deciding whether to dig the world's biggest hole and contaminate local underground water supplies for thousands of years in the name of mining and selling uranium for a cheap buck
2. Radioactive waste is a logistical nightmare to dispose of
These are the major reasons that nuclear power isn't the #1 source of energy everywhere, in my opinion.

If your classmates had brought up something along the lines of "we have no way to get rid of the waste", they'd be thinking. But the comment about nukes seems to indicate that they really aren't informed.
Although there isn't a way to get rid of the waste, one of my classmates did say that there is a compound over in Nevada where the nuclear waste will be (is?) stored below ground. Although it's neither a permanent nor the best solution, it beats having that stuff lie around in the environment.

Also, I did state that plutonium, one of the by-products, can be used in long-range spacecraft as a power supply. I think John Funk had an article about the dwindling plutonium supply not too long ago.
 

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Good morning blues said:
People are resistant to nuclear power because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, not because of fear of nuclear war. I think that's a fear that the world population has lost over the last twenty years.
Total number of casualties and injuries from Three Mile Island? Zero. Emergency protocols were observed, and nobody was hurt.

Chernobyl was a result of lazy engineering and lack of upkeep, not the inherent danger of nuclear power.
 

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PhiMed said:
Good morning blues said:
People are resistant to nuclear power because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, not because of fear of nuclear war. I think that's a fear that the world population has lost over the last twenty years.
Total number of casualties and injuries from Three Mile Island? Zero. Emergency protocols were observed, and nobody was hurt.

Chernobyl was a result of lazy engineering and lack of upkeep, not the inherent danger of nuclear power.
You don't have to convince me of that, you have to convince the majority of the American populace of that.
 

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IAmWright777 said:
yes, us Americans may be a little nervous about nuclear power plants (I know that honestly I am a little bit haha, but that's my right :p).
I'm not, and I live in the overlapping blast radii of two or three separate stations XD

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzpatrick_Nuclear_Generating_Station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginna_Nuclear_Generating_Station

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Mile_Point_Nuclear_Generating_Station
 

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I think it's more of a problem with special interest groups keeping nuclear power in the dust. I don't know if you know, but the oil industry has an incredibly powerful political lobby, as you can see by every attempt to detach from unsustainable resource since the early 20th century. Much of the fear of nuclear instability is political spin to keep from creating nuclear power a large, viable source of energy.

You do have a point about solar. As renewable as it is, the most efficient cells can't be used in the most potentially-productive parts of the country, such as the western deserts, because of water concerns.

In the end, I have to say that the Cold War mindset is just a misnomer.
 

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G1eet said:
IAmWright777 said:
yes, us Americans may be a little nervous about nuclear power plants (I know that honestly I am a little bit haha, but that's my right :p).
I'm not, and I live in the overlapping blast radii of two or three separate stations XD
Not to mention the worldwide radius for a coil failure in the prototype fusion reactors.
 

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Good morning blues said:
PhiMed said:
Good morning blues said:
People are resistant to nuclear power because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, not because of fear of nuclear war. I think that's a fear that the world population has lost over the last twenty years.
Total number of casualties and injuries from Three Mile Island? Zero. Emergency protocols were observed, and nobody was hurt.

Chernobyl was a result of lazy engineering and lack of upkeep, not the inherent danger of nuclear power.
You don't have to convince me of that, you have to convince the majority of the American populace of that.
Unfortunately, the majority of the American populace is under the impression that the jesters who entertain them (Hollywood) are good sources of information on science, politics, and technology.
 

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PhiMed said:
Good morning blues said:
People are resistant to nuclear power because of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, not because of fear of nuclear war. I think that's a fear that the world population has lost over the last twenty years.
Total number of casualties and injuries from Three Mile Island? Zero. Emergency protocols were observed, and nobody was hurt.

Chernobyl was a result of lazy engineering and lack of upkeep, not the inherent danger of nuclear power.
The Chernobyl incident was the result of Russian scientist thinking that they could turn off the safety water coolers and still have it work, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!
The reason for fear of Nuclear is all the negative affects of even a small unnoticed leak. It is an reasonable fear to be truthful
 

Erana

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I think it depends on when you're born.
I mean, my sister had a roomate from China, and now is living with a Russian, and my mother said, "She's workin' herself through all the big Communist countries."
(Not in a sexual way, of course.)

Such a notion had never dawned on me...