Sewblon said:We experience decision making every day of our lives, if that isn't evidence for freewill, what is?
Ho. Ly. Sh**.Swollen Goat said:How about a picture instead?
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Sewblon said:Make sure you spoiler it, here is mine.Edit: Swollen Goat said I needed to edit my post, so I edited it.If time travel were possible someone would have stopped Hitler from coming to power.
The 2nd one: I see wat u did thar. Nice trick, but used before.lacktheknack said:You are now manually breathing.
<link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/profiles/view>This... thing makes everyone mad the instant they see it.
People who don't understand HTML wizardry all hate me now.
Everyone who clicks <link=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0>this link will instantly regret it.
http://www.timemachinego.com/linkmachinego/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/well_well_well.jpgoreopizza47 said:http://xkcd.com/568/
Same here!Wardnath said:Ho. Ly. Sh**.Swollen Goat said:How about a picture instead?
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Actually, those look more like fox heads than dog ones, IMO.
Still, mind = blown.
The illusion of free will is enough for me.Chamale said:Sewblon said:We experience decision making every day of our lives, if that isn't evidence for freewill, what is?.Your brain lies to you every second you open your eyes. It falsely creates the impression that you don't have a blind spot in each eye, but in fact, you do. Similarly, your brain fools you into thinking that you have free will. Studies have shown that people often do something, and then later decide that they consciously wanted to do something. In fact, they performed the action before they actually decided to do it. Free will is an illusion, although as a corollary, it should be pointed out that you'd behave the same way if you somehow managed to violate the laws of physics and have free will
The key word in my second argument is "if" The point I meant to make is that even if nothing else prevented a time traveler from going back in time to kill Hitler, it would still result in a contradiction, which renders the concept invalid, and the same logic holds true for all deliberate attempts to change the past. Yes we are dealing with unknowns, but we can still theorize. Philosophers do it for a living. And when it comes to things like hypothetical future technologies, theorizing is the best we can do.Pirate Kitty said:Why would someone have stopped Hitler coming into power? How do you KNOW this as fact? Could there not be unbreakable rules that prevent such actions? Could time not be changing constantly due to time travelers, and we, with our limited senses simply cannot see it? What if everyone in the future simply sees World War II as a necessary event? What if they all just like Hitler?Sewblon said:I have edited my original post to include a more forcible argument.Pirate Kitty said:Or everyone in the future likes Hitler. That is a terrible argument against time-travel.Sewblon said:Make sure you spoiler it, here is mine.Edit: Swollen Goat said I needed to edit my post, so I edited it.If time travel were possible someone would have stopped Hitler from coming to power.
One cannot make claims like yours - we simply do not know.
Fucking duh, also the sky is blue Mr. Obvious.Fumbleumble said:America isn't the shining land of liberty and equality for all.
... Yet another reason to keep you away from that girl!Ahlycks said:I have a 92 foot long shlong
Oh this is not about you? "whoops"
But then what about highways?seekeroftruth86 said:You park on a driveway and drive on a parkway.
Chamale said:Sewblon said:We experience decision making every day of our lives, if that isn't evidence for freewill, what is?.Your brain lies to you every second you open your eyes. It falsely creates the impression that you don't have a blind spot in each eye, but in fact, you do. Similarly, your brain fools you into thinking that you have free will. Studies have shown that people often do something, and then later decide that they consciously wanted to do something. In fact, they performed the action before they actually decided to do it. Free will is an illusion, although as a corollary, it should be pointed out that you'd behave the same way if you somehow managed to violate the laws of physics and have free will
I tend to take the Doctor Who approach to time travel and say that certain events in history are time locked and cannot be changed, even by a time traveler, thus making Hitler's rise to power inevitable.Sewblon said:Make sure you spoiler it, here is mine.Edit: Swollen Goat said I needed to edit my post, so I edited it.If time travel were possible someone would have stopped Hitler from coming to power. Also, time travel results in contradictions. If someone goes back in time to stop Hitler from rising to power, the time traveler would never have heard of Hitler so he would have never gone back in time to stop him from rising to power. So then Hitler would rise to power so the time traveler would go back in time to stop him. So Hitler both would and would not rise to power, and the time traveler both would and would not have prevented him from coming to power, which is absurd.
I think I would make sure autotuning never existed before I even thought about offing Hitler.Pirate Kitty said:Or everyone in the future likes Hitler. That is a terrible argument against time-travel.Sewblon said:Make sure you spoiler it, here is mine.Edit: Swollen Goat said I needed to edit my post, so I edited it.If time travel were possible someone would have stopped Hitler from coming to power.