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DC_Josh

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How high could you fly a plane before various forces disabled/destroyed/did bad stuff to the plane? Say you removed the human factor as well (you have full life support inside) when would stresses just make the plane stop working.

And i'm talking about your average long haul airbus, no military jets.
 

tsb247

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Aur0ra145 said:
I do know a guy who was flying in New Mexico and had 4 T-38's come up on his aircraft and do alot of crazy stuff to mess with him. He wasn't intercepted, it was more of a fighter-pilots-at-play sort of thing.
This happens more than most people think!

A friend of mine was flying a Cessna over downtown Kansas City when number 8 of the Blue Angels formed up on his wing and chatted with him for about 5 minutes before doing some rather crazy maneuvers around his aircraft and jetting off into the blue. It's amazing how slow an F/A-18 can fly!

I guess he was just passing through and got bored.

I remember this story because I was supposed to go with him that day, but I had a lot of homework to do, so I had to pass it up. It was a LONG time ago. I was/am really disappointed that I missed that!

Oh, and thanks for the avatar comment! I spend a LOT of time in an F-16 simulator (Falcon 4.0: Allied Force).
 

Chicago Ted

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Furburt said:
EDIT: Sorry, question is: have you ever done a barrel roll?
That was the first thing I did when I came to this thread. Checking how long it was before someone mentioned, barrel roll.
 

Aur0ra145

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Ocelot GT said:
Where do (baby) ultralight aircraft come from? :3
Snowmobiles. No really, the Rotax 912ULS is pretty much a snowmobile engine. Heck, that's how Rotax got started for the most part.

Squid94 said:
Have you ever been really suspicious of one of the passengers (provided you saw them)?

If so, did you do anything about it, and if so again, what was it?
For the most part no, I haven't really ever had any suspicions of passengers that would endanger myself or the aircraft. Though, I have thought about how some of the passengers were afraid of flying/heights/etc. The way to deal with that is just be professional.

Gabanuka said:
Why dont you let kids see the cockpit anymore!
On my charter flights we do when we're on the ground. Sparking the dream of flight in a person always puts a good feeling in your heart.

stinkychops said:
Are you worried about cancer?
No, I might when I get alot older; but right now I don't really have any health worries related to flying.

DC_Josh said:
How high could you fly a plane before various forces disabled/destroyed/did bad stuff to the plane? Say you removed the human factor as well (you have full life support inside) when would stresses just make the plane stop working.

And i'm talking about your average long haul airbus, no military jets.
The service ceiling for most of the larger airline jets are around FL450 (45,000ft.) As far as the limiting factor for altitude, would be a combination of wing-loading (how much lift each sqare foot of wing produces) and thrust. See when you get up high enough, there isn't enough air for a wing to produce lift and you'll have stalled wings, even if you're going quite fast.

The other limiting factor is speed. An aircraft is desinged to cruise at a certain speed, but the airframe can withstand a bit more than that. Exceed the Vne (Velocity, Never Exceed) you'll have a good chance of airframe failure.

Also at altitudes that high, you must carefully watch icing conditions.

ethaninja said:
I want to be a pilot. What are the steps I should go through in doing that?
Go up atleast once or twice before you decide to start flight training. I've known several people who were all gung-ho to start flying, but once they got into a little airlplane they didn't like it anymore.

If that works, then get your medical and buy some study material. I always liked the Jeppeson text books with the ASA Question guides for the written. Contact a local flight school and start flying. Each school is a little different and they'll guide you on the path they want you to take to achieve your license.

Also, it'd be a good idea to get yourself a good headset. Don't go cheap, because you'll be wearing that thing for hours on end and they last for next to forever. I personally recommend David Clark, but I've heard good things about the Lightspeed Zulus.

flaming_squirrel said:
Have you ever lost control of an aircraft and crapped yourself?
Well, I had the situation under control but...

One day, I was up practicing snap rolls. And I might have pitched up a little bit to much. Okay, maybe alot too much and didn't apply enough down pressure on my rudder yaw. This stalled one of my wings more than the other and I was in one badass from hell spin.

Though I quickly put my ailerons at neutral, and stood on the opposite rudder, broke the stall and recovered. I figured I probably spun about 4-6 times. I do know it was 3 rotations before the rudder input took hold.

I wasn't really scared, just my flight instruction kicked in hardcore, everything I did was automatic.

Though this is the one time I can recall when the airplane did something I didn't want it to do.
 

cuddly_tomato

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Why do you think that there are so few women pilots?

EDIT: Also, what is the procedure for an emergency with a passenger? I mean, if someone gets a heart attack do you get down to the ground right away after declaring an emergency? Or do you do something else?
 

Aur0ra145

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Poomanchu745 said:
Have you ever turned your squawked 7500 on your transponder just to see what would happen?
Absolutely not, I like to fly airplanes, and I would rather do it legally with a pilots license rather than illegally without one. Because I'm pretty sure the FAA would yank my ticket if you did anything like that.

cuddly_tomato said:
Why do you think that there are so few women pilots?
It varys, I actually know alot of female pilots. It's just not really a thing women get into that much for some reason. There are organizations like the 99's which promote female pilots and all, but the truth is there just aren't that many. I don't really have a discernable reason as to why, there just aren't.

But if I had to give a reason it would be, women look pretty goofy wearing a flight suit, Ray Bans and an enormous watch. But if I guy wears all those things, he's the epitome of sexiness.

EDIT: Okay, if you have a passenger have a heart attack call up air traffic control, or center or approach; just whoever you are on with and tell them the situation. They'll probably give you a new squawk code, assign you a new callsign "lifeguard" and give you priority to the closest airfield where you can be met by medical vehicles.

You'll land like usual, but you'll probably have a straight in approach b/c ATC will route everything around you and be met on the runway by medical personel if the emergency is bad enough. Depending on the size and location of your aircraft they'll probably put you into a Class D airport and try to let you avoid very busy airfields.

But in the end, if you declare an emergency you can throw all the laws to the wind and do whatever the pilot in command needs to for the safety of the passengers and the aircraft.

Interesting Aside: Careflights aren't assinged the callsign "careflight" rather you'll get the callsign "lifeguard" and get priority over every other aircraft. The callsign "Lifeguard" can be given to any aircraft. Reasons for having a "Lifeguard" callsign could be because you're transporting a patient, have organs on board and the like if they're important for the survival of someone.

Another aside, when transporting dead people, on the manifest you fill out for you flight plan you include the dead bodies in the total of "souls on board" so SAR will keep searching untill they find every body that was in the aircraft that went down.
 

cuddly_tomato

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I am a park ranger by actual vocation and I really believe nature is my calling, but I actually trained as an engineer and I do love machines and tinkering with them, so I need to ask this question, even though I have been warned by others not too:-

Was the DC-10 really airworthy?

I did a short study on it in university, specifically, the design of the electrical system concerning the CVR and FDR, which were originally only on engine 1s electrical system (meaning they stopped working when engine 1 flamed out), as part of a case study into poor design practice. I have to say that even as a 2nd year student I felt I could have done a better job of designing a lot of the systems on that thing than the original engineers did. What is the pilots perspective?
 

Aur0ra145

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cuddly_tomato said:
I am a park ranger by actual vocation and I really believe nature is my calling, but I actually trained as an engineer and I do love machines and tinkering with them, so I need to ask this question, even though I have been warned by others not too:-

Was the DC-10 really airworthy?

I did a short study on it in university, specifically, the design of the electrical system concerning the CVR and FDR, which were originally only on engine 1s electrical system (meaning they stopped working when engine 1 flamed out), as part of a case study into poor design practice. I have to say that even as a 2nd year student I felt I could have done a better job of designing a lot of the systems on that thing than the original engineers did. What is the pilots perspective?
The DC-10 wasn't the best so I've been told. I don't have any experience with them myself.

Woodsey said:
Ever had sex with your co-pilot whilst on a long trip?
No, never; not in the air.