Ask me about living in China

SuperUberBob

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I am currently teaching college English in Wuhan at the moment.

Haven't been here for long. So, I cannot serve as an authority on much of anything. I can only relay my experiences to you.
 

BonsaiK

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Then, rather than soliciting questions from us, you should relay some experiences to us.
 

TheDist

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How bad is the air pollution where you are and are you having any issues with it if there is any? A friend of mine went to teach in china but ended up having to leave because the air pollution was literally making them seriously sick.
 

Rayne870

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What caused China to import gold farmers? Sorry lol had to. Um anyway I already have some pretty good impressions of China and all, but I hope you enjoy your stay :)
 

SuperUberBob

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Lots of white people live in New Zealand buddy. How many live in China? How many foreigners have or plan to live on a long-term basis in China? How many have taught English in a foreign country?

I think there's plenty to talk about. People were interested in my teaching in South Korea. So, figured they'd want to know about China. Logical, right? Feel free to ignore the thread if you are not interested.

I am currently teaching college students at a national university in Wuhan, China. At the moment, I am teaching reading and conversational English. I work 90 minute classes and a couple of classes per day. Despite having textbooks to work with, I create my own lessons for the students because my lessons are better than what books offer here.

I find people here to be polite, but extremely gossipy. If there's one thing I respect Chinese folk for, it is information distribution. If any piece is known about you, it gets around your class and everybody knows about it. Despite there being multiple other foreigners on this campus, students still stare as though they have never seen a foreigner before. It can be quite intimidating to teach English to 50+ students who barely speak the language. But with enough training and experience, anybody can do it. If South Korea was a fulfilling experience, hopefully China can go beyond that.
 

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TheDist said:
How bad is the air pollution where you are and are you having any issues with it if there is any? A friend of mine went to teach in china but ended up having to leave because the air pollution was literally making them seriously sick.
Clean air in China is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. You look at the skyline of Wuhan and you can't even see it clearly. There's a haze over it that blocks it out.

The pollution in Korea made me VERY sick. I was coughing uncontrollably for several days. Even the doctors there couldn't do anything about it aside from giving me cold medicine which made it even worse. Then again, I came during when Yellow Dust season was in full swing. I got over it soon and spent the year there.

China, not so much. I ended up hospitalized for an unrelated reason though. The pollution has not affected me too heavily. I'm smart enough to not breathe heavily outdoors though.
 

SuperUberBob

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Intriguing cultural note: Lots of women walk while holding hands with each other or have their arms interlocked. On buses, you'll see male friends rubbing each other knees or thighs (not the inside of it obviously).

I was always under the impression that women did this to fend off men from hitting on them. Either that or China was more open with lesbianism than I had expected. Really, it's just a sign of friendship. With men, I'm not sure what to make of it. Friendship, but what kind of friendship?

When I told my students what people would think of it in America, the girls were shocked as they have been practicing this as a social norm for a very long time.
 

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John Marcone said:
Why would we want to know about that? So you live in China. I live in New Zealand. Who gives a good goddamn?
The other people posting in this thread? they might, and if you don't why did you come to this tread?
 

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I swear, was it last month you made a thread about living in Korea? Small chance I'm thinking of someone else...

OT: I read in a book (Lost in Planet China) of piss-poor air. Your opinion?
 

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Aside from the whole arms interlocked and thighs thing, what's one of the biggest social norm differences you have seen there compared to say, North America?
 

johnzaku

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I'm thinking about going to teach english in South Korea, how is the process?

What's it like being in a new area with a new culture?

I'm from N. America
 

SuperUberBob

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TheYellowCellPhone said:
I swear, was it last month you made a thread about living in Korea? Small chance I'm thinking of someone else...
That was me. It was a while ago. I think I created it shortly after I left.

OT: I read in a book (Lost in Planet China) of piss-poor air. Your opinion?[/quote]

Yes, it is very noticeable and worthy of mentioning as a negative. If you any severe allergies or respiratory problems, stay the hell out of China. Hell, you might want to stay out of Asia entirely.

A friend of mine said that walking through Tianjin (a large city in China) for a full day is equal to smoking 2 packs of cigarettes. I'm pretty sure he was exaggerating, but it does show how severe the pollution problem is and how little of a shit the government gives about it.

Spydercake said:
Hows the food?
Depends where you go. The food safety regulations are non-existent. I've actually seen restaurant workers re-use rice from uneaten or partially eaten dishes. Your cheap places are not going to be that great. Good, but nothing amazing. Some of the food here also has tiny bones in it and it takes practice to get all the meat off without pulling the bone completely out of your mouth.

However, the mid-range restaurants (not the cruddy places you see on every street) are absolutely delicious. I could gorge myself there. The major difficulty is that all of the menus are in Chinese characters. At least in Korea, I could read what food they offered because Hangul is way easier to read than Chinese characters. In China, I'm either relying on another Chinese person or pointing to random shit and hoping that it tastes good.

In short, I eat at restaurants way less often than I did in Korea. Ditto for my friends as well.

LeonLethality said:
Aside from the whole arms interlocked and thighs thing, what's one of the biggest social norm differences you have seen there compared to say, North America?
Tough call. There are so many of them that it is hard to point out just one as the biggest.

I would say the way PDAs are looked at here between couples. Aside from a brief peck or holding on to your significant other's arm, PDAs are frowned upon in the public spectrum. Normally, couples will find darker places outdoors at night and make out there. I forgot the Chinese term for it, but it literally translates into "love talk". They will make out there for extended periods of time. It's weird to walk by and see random couples spread about a large dark area (like the stands near a track next to my apartment), passionately kissing and (in some cases) outright feeling each other up.

MartianWarMachine said:
How are you able to access this site, what with the government's "CENSOR EVERYTHING" mentality?
I use a VPN. I'm pretty sure this site is uncensored by the government though.

johnzaku said:
I'm thinking about going to teach english in South Korea, how is the process?

What's it like being in a new area with a new culture?

I'm from N. America
From the US or Canada?

It's a drastic adjustment. If you end up living in one of the major cities (which unless you have a lot of teaching experience, you won't be), you might be able to find the foreigners quickly and they can soften the culture shock. But if you're on your own, the stress will be quite immense and it is hard to gauge how you will respond to it unless you've had it before.

I'd definitely recommended South Korea or Japan as a nice place to get your feet wet if you watch to be an ESL teacher in Asia. There's a large enough foreigner presence to soften the blow of being in a different culture while having enough Western influence to not totally mindfuck you. However, it is very hard to get into either country unless you have a lot of teaching experience. The amount of paperwork for SK is enormous. If you want to go there for the fall, you should start the paperwork process within the next month or two.

I hear that the JET interview process is VERY intense. I almost went through it, but had friends in SK and thought it would be easier there.
 

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MartianWarMachine said:
How are you able to access this site, what with the government's "CENSOR EVERYTHING" mentality?
This site wasn't blocked when I was in Mainland last year, so I don't think it is now.
SuperUberBob said:
A friend of mine said that walking through Tianjin (a large city in China) for a full day is equal to smoking 2 packs of cigarettes. I'm pretty sure he was exaggerating, but it does show how severe the pollution problem is and how little of a shit the government gives about it.
The air condition in Tianjin horrid. I'd would even say it could possibly be 1,5 - 2,0 packs for a full day. However, I think the city of Shenzhen is a little worse than Tianjin.
 

SuperUberBob

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Odd observations: I've heard some old-timers refer to Wuhan as part of western China despite the fact that it is located in central China. My initial reasoning was that they may not recognize Tibet as part of the mainland. It could also be that they lack basic geographical knowledge of their own country.

The PRC still declares Taiwan as their property, so much so that it is officially called the Republic of China (ROC). Furthermore, China would not let Taiwan into the Beijing Olympics unless they entered as Chinese Taipei.

Citizens of Taiwan also have special lines at customs/immigration where there are separate lines for foreigners and Taiwanese people. At least that was the case in Wuhan. Not sure about the other Chinese cities. Not sure why. There may be some special prerequisites to fulfill or they just want to fuck around with Taiwanese people.
 

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SuperUberBob said:
I am currently teaching college English in Wuhan at the moment.

Haven't been here for long. So, I cannot serve as an authority on much of anything. I can only relay my experiences to you.
This thread is a really great idea, Bob. I'm not Asian myself (Aboriginal Australian), but I find that Asian people and their cultures are some of the most misunderstood in Australia.

What is your opinion on class and economy in China? Any thoughts on the increasingly centralized distribution of wealth? Unemployment? Do you think that the Chinese government is over-emphasizing economic development over cultural stability?

What are your thoughts on censorship and state control of information?

Thanks in advance!
 

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SuperUberBob said:
Ask me about living in China
No.

Oh, if I must. As I Brit, I must ask- Why'd you guys want Hong Kong back so badly? It was Her Majesty's territory for nearly a century, what's so great about it? It may have been a little awkward to lose to us, especially seeing as though you are a million miles more powerful than us, and you were clearly in the right when we forced you to secede it to us after the Second Opium War, but seriously what've you done with it since then? You've eliminated taxes for the poor and turned it from a small shanty town into a bustling metropolis! What the hell's that about? I thought you'd knock it all down and turn it into one giant nuclear silo or whatever it is you do with your huge tracks of land.

Bottom line: Stop reclaiming your own territory then vastly improving the standard of life for those living there. It's making the rest of the world look backwards and stupid. Especially the US, who've still yet to clean up after hurricane katrina. Way to go Obama, you look like a fool. And it makes Europe look like a third world, seeing as though one half of it sits down for a meal of boiled radiators at the end of their day (planting and growing lager for export only), and the other half are a bunch of pompous girly layabouts, yelling 'Merde!' at the ever-modernising world!

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IWhat's it like just kinda living there on an average day? I knew what mine was like when I lived there way back in the late 90's early 2000's but what's it like for someone who's older?
 

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Still Life said:
What is your opinion on class and economy in China?

Any thoughts on the increasingly centralized distribution of wealth?
There really is no actual middle-class in China by American standards of living. You have upper class, which in terms of wealth control is even MORE extreme than in America. Then you just have just two divisions of lower class: really fucking lower class and quite not so much lower class. So yeah, I suppose wealth is centralized to a degree when it comes to the very large majority, but the fat cats are laughing all the way to the bank. The only way to the upper class is through a Chinese social dynamic called "Guanxi".

Unlike America where people can be motivated by the self to economically succeed, your future life in China is almost entirely determined by what connections you have with the politicians in the CPC or connections with people who are connected to the CPC. This is social concept in China is called Guanxi and it practically predetermines your fate. In America, we often call this 'social networking' when referred to in a more positive light. We're out there pushing our names onto companies and setting some "you scratch my back, I can scratch yours" type of connections later on when being considered for future jobs or something similar. The difference is that networking in America can be done by anybody, regardless of class. The negative side what is perceived by us as Guanxi is corruption and is much more under-the-table and done by people with high influence.

Unemployment? Do you think that the Chinese government is over-emphasizing economic development over cultural stability?
This is something I would have to ask my English-speaking Chinese friends. I honestly don't know how to answer this question.

What are your thoughts on censorship and state control of information?
Censorship is hardly a good thing. But it can be quite humorous:

For example, I was hospitalized about a week ago and was channel surfing. There are no American channels there (though you can get them through certain cable packages). So, I watched the CCTV (China Central Television) sports channel and they'd show China participating in a good lot of cheesy games (curling, ping-pong etc). The funny thing about every single event is that there was no instance in which the Chinese lost. Every single team or person that won was China/Chinese. They even skipped instances where the Chinese may have lost a point. Supposedly, it is claimed due to "time constraints".

I was watching something about Freakonomics on another channel. It was basically a re-telling of their first book on some TV channel. What I noticed is that they would just randomly cut away from certain scenes and not even introduce you to the next one. One minute, you're talking about types of names and the next you're talking about something else with no transition what so ever.

Such petty examples of information control.