Assisted Suicide.

[Hobo Joe]

It's only fine in my opinion if the person is in extreme pain from a disease that would eventually kill them anyway.

 

[GreyWolf257]

I believe assisted suicide should be allowed, but it should be monitored in some way so as to prove the act wasn't murder. Every person should be allowed to decide how they want to go out of the world, if at all possible.

 

[arrjay93]

]Well, murder is "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.", so if it was made legal, it wouldn't be murder.

Interesting point, but there's a principle involved here as well. The dictionary definition of love, or of justice wouldn't be considered definitive in real life, and murder is the same. We don't get angry when someone kills another because it's againt the law - we get angry because they killed another human being.

That being said, I'm in favour of assited suicide - but for reasons of ethics, not because of a legal definition.

 

[AvsJoe]

Assisted suicide controversy is back, eh? I haven't heard much debate over it since Terry Schiavo was all over the news but I'll take your word for it. Well, my opinion hasn't changed. And that opinion is fence-sitting. But I will say that if I am rendered a vegetable or am in the later stages of a degenerative disease like cancer then I hope someone is kind enough to pull the plug.

 

[Threx]

I think it depends on the circumstances.

Yes but where do you draw the line? A cancer patient, someone who just got the lower half of there body ripped of, or someone who was riding a motorcycle and rode straight into a tree? Where is the line where the person should be able to help them commit suicide and when is it murder?

Well, murder is "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.", so if it was made legal, it wouldn't be murder.

If you went to court for murder you can't just say oh he had a broken leg so I killed him out of mercy. So what is the point where it becomes murder?

That's completely different. He didn't ask to be killed. If he had, it would have been assisted suicide, but as it stands it's just murder.

But you cant prove it you could easily say he wanted to be killed, there's no proof saying other wise because the guys dead.

 

[reg42]

I think it depends on the circumstances.

Yes but where do you draw the line? A cancer patient, someone who just got the lower half of there body ripped of, or someone who was riding a motorcycle and rode straight into a tree? Where is the line where the person should be able to help them commit suicide and when is it murder?

Well, murder is "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.", so if it was made legal, it wouldn't be murder.

If you went to court for murder you can't just say oh he had a broken leg so I killed him out of mercy. So what is the point where it becomes murder?

That's completely different. He didn't ask to be killed. If he had, it would have been assisted suicide, but as it stands it's just murder.

But you cant prove it you could easily say he wanted to be killed, there's no proof saying other wise because the guys dead.

That would matter... In the courtroom, but I'm speaking hypothetically here.

 

[Threx]

I think it depends on the circumstances.

Yes but where do you draw the line? A cancer patient, someone who just got the lower half of there body ripped of, or someone who was riding a motorcycle and rode straight into a tree? Where is the line where the person should be able to help them commit suicide and when is it murder?

Well, murder is "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.", so if it was made legal, it wouldn't be murder.

If you went to court for murder you can't just say oh he had a broken leg so I killed him out of mercy. So what is the point where it becomes murder?

That's completely different. He didn't ask to be killed. If he had, it would have been assisted suicide, but as it stands it's just murder.

But you cant prove it you could easily say he wanted to be killed, there's no proof saying other wise because the guys dead.

That would matter... In the courtroom, but I'm speaking hypothetically here.

Ahhh... Now I see your point and I'm sure you see mine. Shall we end this discussion?

 

[Prof.Wood]

Its wrong to make people who will suffer live if they want to die.
but a full analysis of the mental state of the person should be evaluated.

 

[Prometherion]

I think most people who disagree tend to be quite religious. I may be generalising, but this reminds me of an R.E. class I had in secondary school.

Catholic teacher: God teaches us that euthanasia is wrong.

Me: Why is it? God sent his only son to die for his sins, so murdering your son is ok but easing your loved ones passing is wrong?

Catholic teacher: God didnt kill his son!!! The Jews and the Romans did!!!

Sometimes you win a debate because your opponent is a douche.

 

[Mozared]

I think every human being has the right to die as they wish, provided they are of sufficient mental capacity to choose so.

That, really. The controversy seems to mostly be about figuring out if the last bit is true or false. I would never help someone kill themself if I knew there was still hope and a possible bright and better future for them that they just could not see. In the case of terminal cancer or MS... yeah.

 

[Valksy]

We need to concept of assisted suicide enshrined in law in the UK and we need it soonish. Personally, I would like a document that says that in the event of certain medical conditions/bodily damage that I just have a huge morphine dose and go quietly. I hate the notion of being stuck in a hospital, vulnerable and utterly dependent. I don't want that to be my fate, I wish it to be my choice.

 

[Iznat]

I believe that people the right to end their life if they so choose, and while it may not necessarily be the most selfless of acts (by any means), but should they wish to do so, they should have the option, regardless of whether or not they are actually capable of doing it themselves.

I know that if I knew that either myself or someone close to me was essentially condemned to a life of pain and/or suffering, I'd seriously consider it as an option, and respect their choice on it, too.

 

[Asturiel]

Ah. Fair enough.In general though, you would consider it murder?

It's being an accomplise to muder. But the murderer and the victim are the same person.

Slightly off-topic, but did anyone hear Glenn Beck on his radio show (I think it was that) where he was 'discussing' Canada's laws on euthanasia?

Some poor woman rang up because Beck had made her believe that euthanasia was where the STATE killed you because you were too much of a financial strain - she had a back problem and some other stuff as well - and Beck didn't even correct her.

The guy is sick.

[small]That may not be exactly it but it was a few weeks ago.[/small]

...who? And do I have to smack a *****? I'm curious now dammit!

Vikings![footnote] It'd also be more convenient for my desired Viking Funeral. [/footnote]

Yay a fellow person who wants one!

but a full analysis of the mental state of the person should be evaluated.

Issue with that is that it ends up likely becoming bureocratic somewhat. You need to wait 2-5 weeks just to see him, have 3 sessions, fill out form 3a-5 then take it to charles for 6q-1 and get the yellow sticker from George so we can begin.

Catholic teacher: God didnt kill his son!!! The Jews and the Romans did!!!

Ahh Jesus, most famous act of suicide. Since he could have gone all Jesus on their asses and kicked them from here to solviet Russia then back to the moon.

OT: If I am unable to move or think well! if I can still somewhat know people and my things are fading let me die when I cannot recognize my loved ones. Otherwise, bad horrible disease? Taking the Bucket List approach and living my last days with all life has to offer. Ill die on the street not a hospital bed dammit!

 

[Woodsey]

Ah. Fair enough.In general though, you would consider it murder?

It's being an accomplise to muder. But the murderer and the victim are the same person.

Slightly off-topic, but did anyone hear Glenn Beck on his radio show (I think it was that) where he was 'discussing' Canada's laws on euthanasia?

Some poor woman rang up because Beck had made her believe that euthanasia was where the STATE killed you because you were too much of a financial strain - she had a back problem and some other stuff as well - and Beck didn't even correct her.

The guy is sick.

[small]That may not be exactly it but it was a few weeks ago.[/small]

...who? And do I have to smack a *****? I'm curious now dammit!

Vikings![footnote] It'd also be more convenient for my desired Viking Funeral. [/footnote]

Yay a fellow person who wants one!

but a full analysis of the mental state of the person should be evaluated.

Issue with that is that it ends up likely becoming bureocratic somewhat. You need to wait 2-5 weeks just to see him, have 3 sessions, fill out form 3a-5 then take it to charles for 6q-1 and get the yellow sticker from George so we can begin.

Catholic teacher: God didnt kill his son!!! The Jews and the Romans did!!!

Ahh Jesus, most famous act of suicide. Since he could have gone all Jesus on their asses and kicked them from here to solviet Russia then back to the moon.

OT: If I am unable to move or think well! if I can still somewhat know people and my things are fading let me die when I cannot recognize my loved ones. Otherwise, bad horrible disease? Taking the Bucket List approach and living my last days with all life has to offer. Ill die on the street not a hospital bed dammit!

Beck works for Fox News; he's full of moronic propaganda and doom 'n' gloom. He's also a patronising, misleading fuck.

Look him up some time.

Oh, he had a "debate" on video games where he (a hideously strong opposer of them) brought on Jack Thompson to discuss them. Nice and fair then.

 

[SnipErlite]

Indeed I think it should be allowed. Everyone has the right to decide when they die, it's thei life.

 

[InconceivableTruth]

People should have access to over-the-counter cyanide pills.

 

[Valkyrie101]

Of course everyone should have the right to end their life if they so wish. Is there a single good reason against assisted suicide?

 

[Queen Michael]

Whenever the "suicided" person is clearly for it, my answer is yes. It's their life, isn't it?

 

[Daverson]

Assisted suicide should be legal, however, only for those who can prove to be of able mind. I.e. people suffering from inoperable tumours, motor neurone disease etc.

A lot of people have at some point in their lives been depressed, or suffered from an easily treated psychological issue, and would have seriously considered suicide at the time.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I think every human being has the right to die as they wish, provided they are of sufficient mental capacity to choose so. I have asked my family that if I am rendered brain dead or trapped in my own body, that they should kill me. I think I would much prefer to die with dignity than waste away painfully. And If I get terminal cancer or similar, I'll probably find some way to end my own life.

I believe it should be a total right in all civilized nations.

This man speaks the truth.