Asturiel's Weekly: Death

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Asturiel

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...Dear God people! I meant death in fiction! Don't kill me before I've even started (ironic)! And now for my weekly thread! Now with more misleading titles!

Anyway, this week I want to talk about something that really irked me when I was watching a certain anime recently, Code Geass. Now before anybody tells me I missed the point it was just a little detail that irked me slightly that I found in it, it was the refusal for most of the main characters to die.

Now you may be yelling at me right now about wanting characters to die in a beloved series, but what I find irritating is when a character is constantly faced with life or death scenarios... and more often than not we get the life portion. Now that may be a good thing for people desperately wanting their favorite character to return, but when this happens too often you loose the thrill of them nearly falling off the building, it becomes trivial, mundane, boring. Fiction needs characters to die to prove the mortality of the characters in question.

Let me ask you this, what effects you more, thousands upon thousands of soldiers dying through various reasons, or a well developed character meeting their end. I'm going to assume the latter right? (unless it's through a weapon of mass destruction, but thats a topic for another time) That isn't a bad thing! When well executed both sides of the life coin can be used for powerful storytelling, weither it be a man coming out of a near death experience, changed and more badass than ever, or him meeting his untimely death.

For some discussion to go with this rant, does a characters failure to die after repeatedly going into life or death situations annoy you? (Bleach and Naruto are big offenders here as well) I personally like to be reminded about how fragile the existance of the characters is, by killing off one you create a better atmosphere for the entire story, but thats my opinion, whats yours?

EDIT: The last paragraph has the discussion here people, the question in the second last paragraph was rhetorical.
 

Zap Rowsdower

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I go with the "well developed character meeting an untimely end" option.
Right now I am reading The Restaraunt at the End of the Universe(sequel to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) and I was heartily saddened at Marvin's death. I hope he somehow Deus Ex Machina's his way out of it, but I'm not quite done with the book yet.
 

UnusualStranger

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This is by far one of the biggest offending thing going on right now in all sorts of media. Characters refusing to die is just damn annoying.

Like you said, after that "death" 5 times, only to return later, I don't care any more. The other 4 times they almost died they got away easily enough, so why should I worry now?

Though...I have heard of a writer who does death a little bit too much. He has apparently killed of many of the characters in his books. I like my characters to seem mortal, but I want some familiar faces still standing in the end, dammit!
 

Girl With One Eye

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I think some deaths can be epic, like in Crisis Core:


But in general I like my characters to stay alive !
 

BlumiereBleck

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Alls Well that Ends Well. jk...but a death of a good character that launches a point in the story is nesscary like
when Ace dies it sets off a huge chain of events that shapes the world and the Straw Hat Crew.
but in naruto when everyone dies for no reason it gets very lacky and makes you think how that even got published
 

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Zap Rowsdower said:
I go with the "well developed character meetiing an untimely end" option. Right now I am reading The Restaraunt at the End of the Universe(sequel to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) and I was heartily saddened at Marvin's death. I hope he somehow Deus Ex Machina's his way out of it, but I'm not quite done with the book yet.
spoilers dude

Well if a character didn't escape from life or death situations every time, than there wouldnt be a show/series now would there?
 
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I'm gonna go with developed characters meeting their end.
Its why the end of Cowboy Bebop was so great.
 

Steppin Razor

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Yeah, it can get a little annoying sometimes when a character comes back from supposed death multiple times, but the problem with killing off main characters is that it becomes old even faster than the characters constantly not dying. It's something that is best used sparingly so that it maintains its emotional edge, rather than becoming "Oh look, another main character died. What's that now, the 20th so far this series?"
 

Zirat

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Well, I only like my death's to be either A: Well deserved (too many example to be listed here) or B: When they are tragic, the two that stick out most in my mind are"

In So Long, and Thank's for All the Fish Marvin dying was extrmely sad and touching for me. The fact that he was completley forgotten for all of the book only to be found as a half living wreck on a desert planet, it is in no way helped by his final word's of
"'I think... I feel good about it" and then they leave his body where it fall's and go and get a ice cream. SERIOUSLY.

Yes, another robot. You spent the entire game playing as him and experiencing his sad story only for this to happen.


That's right, a feeling, thinking robot allow's himself to die just so a little bird can be free. And that's how the only charachter I liked in the whole Sonic series died
 

Griphphin

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Gotta be the well-developed character, I just have a hard time with caring about what is basically a number of X dying in a fictional setting. Good for building a situation or premise, but it's not what's going to drive me emotionally. Show me how this effects the main characters, how they deal with what is a very real situation in their context.
This reminds me of CoD4/MW2's randomly killing off their main characters, just having it happen for the shock of it all. You just don't care about it a mission or two afterwards
 

Blue_vision

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Zap Rowsdower said:
I go with the "well developed character meeting an untimely end" option.
Right now I am reading The Restaraunt at the End of the Universe(sequel to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) and I was heartily saddened at Marvin's death. I hope he somehow Deus Ex Machina's his way out of it, but I'm not quite done with the book yet.
It's Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy, you should know that some shit's going to happen (not spoiling anything but I amend your ability to actually understand what's going on in those books!)

I think that I'd like to see more characters dying in stories. It's probably because I despise same old stories, and the ability for any character to pop off as they would in real life adds an exponential amount of variety to those stories.

I don't feel that I get angry when a character doesn't die though. Any mediocre story in it's medium can create a feeling of tension and fear even if you know exactly what's going to happen. I believe it's an element of story-based art forms.
 

Zap Rowsdower

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Blue_vision said:
Zap Rowsdower said:
I go with the "well developed character meeting an untimely end" option.
Right now I am reading The Restaraunt at the End of the Universe(sequel to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) and I was heartily saddened at Marvin's death. I hope he somehow Deus Ex Machina's his way out of it, but I'm not quite done with the book yet.
It's Hitchhicker's Guide to the Galaxy, you should know that some shit's going to happen (not spoiling anything but I amend your ability to actually understand what's going on in those books!)
For a thirteen year old I think it shows my reading comprehension quite nicely. [sub]I always did read about 5 grades above my own.[/sub] The only thing that really threw me was the Ruler of the Universe. Ninety percent of what he said didn't make a lick of sense.
 

Blue_vision

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Zap Rowsdower said:
For a thirteen year old I think it shows my reading comprehension quite nicely. [sub]I always did read about 5 grades above my own.[/sub] The only thing that really threw me was the Ruler of the Universe. Ninety percent of what he said didn't make a lick of sense.
Hah, same here. Though I understood a lot less than just the Ruler of the Universe. I was 12 or 13 when I read Hitchhiker's Guide and Restaurant at the End of the Universe, and probably 30% of the words just went through one ear and out the other. I was so confuzzled by it all that I dropped the books until a year or two ago.