Asylum of the Daleks
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For some reason, I just imagined Matt Smith saying;
"I have had it with these mother****ing dinosaurs, on this mother****ing spaceship!"
Overall, a good synopsis, like always; although I do have to admit that I saw the twist at the end coming; stephen moffat is getting laughably predictable, and I see him like a British M. Night Shyamalan, as the twists are one of the only things unique about his writing.
"I have had it with these mother****ing dinosaurs, on this mother****ing spaceship!"
Overall, a good synopsis, like always; although I do have to admit that I saw the twist at the end coming; stephen moffat is getting laughably predictable, and I see him like a British M. Night Shyamalan, as the twists are one of the only things unique about his writing.
It showed up for 3 (ish) seconds, as scenery. For all they hype they threw around about "every Dalek ever in one episode" they still defaulted to reboot gold and Moffat skittles. I was hoping for some classic design Daleks from long forgotten wars with the Doctor mixed with newer styles and a Special Weapon Dalek that actually moved and talked.LavaLampBamboo said:
The better comparison would be Freema Agyeman, who played a small part in Doomsday, and was brought back as Martha, who was the "cousin" to explain the similarity.TimeLord said:Fair enough I did not know that. I'm not great with Classic Who triviaSusan Arendt said:Now, be fair. Lalla Ward was literally Princess Astra in one episode and Romana in the next.TimeLord said:
That all said, given that this is Moffat and everything is planned out for seasons, I would say that Oswin will be the new companion and there will be something timey-whimey. Remember that at the last moment, Oswin did a very direct look to camera after saying "Remember me". It is planned.
Good summary there. I was quite surprised when we found out that Oswin was a Dalek - though should have guessed earlier on that something was wrong - considering the map we see Oswin looking at showing the Doctors location sees him heading towards a dead end, not a downed spaceship that conveniently manages to be connnected to the asylum facility.
I do hope it does actually turn out that Oswin is the companion, though I just wonder how they would work that out. In one way, the Doctor would have to pick her up after she helps them escape from the asylum planet which wouldn't exactly be much of a time window to work in, even for the Doctor. Plus, there's the fact that even if rescued that way, she would still be a Dalek (do we think that she had actually assumed the full physical form of a Dalek under there?).
As someone else said, it could be that the Doctor meets Oswin earlier on and ends up being the one who causes her to end up on the asylum planet. Could be interesting, and if she joins the Doctor in that way, it could explain how she ended up working on a ship. There's no evidence that the Doctor and co are taken into the future in this episode and as far as I know, in the present day in the Whoniverse (sic), humans aren't zipping around the universe in spaceships. Would seem a bit of a morbid conclusion to a companions time on the show though.
Though it could also be something really cheesy I fear - the fact that the concept of remembering is used a few times in the episode (the Doctors tells Amy to "make them remember you") and is Oswins last words to the Doctor not a request that he remembers her? My memory of the dialogue isn't perfect. In a way, seems like a way to hint at a convenient Deus Ex Machina to get her out of there - hopefully I'll be wrong there...
I do hope it does actually turn out that Oswin is the companion, though I just wonder how they would work that out. In one way, the Doctor would have to pick her up after she helps them escape from the asylum planet which wouldn't exactly be much of a time window to work in, even for the Doctor. Plus, there's the fact that even if rescued that way, she would still be a Dalek (do we think that she had actually assumed the full physical form of a Dalek under there?).
As someone else said, it could be that the Doctor meets Oswin earlier on and ends up being the one who causes her to end up on the asylum planet. Could be interesting, and if she joins the Doctor in that way, it could explain how she ended up working on a ship. There's no evidence that the Doctor and co are taken into the future in this episode and as far as I know, in the present day in the Whoniverse (sic), humans aren't zipping around the universe in spaceships. Would seem a bit of a morbid conclusion to a companions time on the show though.
Though it could also be something really cheesy I fear - the fact that the concept of remembering is used a few times in the episode (the Doctors tells Amy to "make them remember you") and is Oswins last words to the Doctor not a request that he remembers her? My memory of the dialogue isn't perfect. In a way, seems like a way to hint at a convenient Deus Ex Machina to get her out of there - hopefully I'll be wrong there...
Actually, I buy that completely. It's not as though it was news to him that she couldn't have children, so it wasn't the infertility per se that was the issue. It was the fact that she could never give him something she knows he wants, and that forcing him to give up that great want would be selfish. Also, being able to bear children is a pretty huge bit of female identity, whether you actually plan on having kids or not, so it's tough to deal with in any kind of rational way. Was she being silly? Well, obviously, given Rory's reaction, and if they'd ever talked everything out, they'd have known that ages ago. But dealing with such emotional issues - even with your spouse, even with someone you've known your whole life - is easier said than done.DVS BSTrD said:
Right, looking through the main article.
The Dalek colour has more import because there is (was) a hierarchy based on colour. From the movies, through to Day of the Daleks and more, there have been black Daleks and red Daleks and a Gold Dalek, with basically ranks. By the time of Remembrance, this was basically Grey vs White Daleks, and the Special Weapons Dalek (the same episode confounded the Emperor Dalek with Davros, which was silly of Ben). There has never been a Parliament of Daleks, which doesn't mesh with the idea of an Emperor Dalek anyway...
[Did Amy and Rory ever discuss adoption?]
As for the "Doctor Who?" line, I'm with Susan. However, since we know there will come a moment when the Doctor will stand on the plain of blah and the Silence will ask him that question, and the answer will destroy the universe (or something)... I think this is going to be the Bad Wolf of this season...
The Dalek colour has more import because there is (was) a hierarchy based on colour. From the movies, through to Day of the Daleks and more, there have been black Daleks and red Daleks and a Gold Dalek, with basically ranks. By the time of Remembrance, this was basically Grey vs White Daleks, and the Special Weapons Dalek (the same episode confounded the Emperor Dalek with Davros, which was silly of Ben). There has never been a Parliament of Daleks, which doesn't mesh with the idea of an Emperor Dalek anyway...
[Did Amy and Rory ever discuss adoption?]
As for the "Doctor Who?" line, I'm with Susan. However, since we know there will come a moment when the Doctor will stand on the plain of blah and the Silence will ask him that question, and the answer will destroy the universe (or something)... I think this is going to be the Bad Wolf of this season...
i assumed that oswin is the new companion. look at the whole river story line the doctor first meets her at the end of her life and then over time get to know her in reverse. so it could be something similar.
a small point there was a review in the paper and the writer told of the dire warnings handed down by the bbc not to tell the secret untill the episdoe had aired, if it was just the same actress being used twice then i doubt they would have bothered.
a small point there was a review in the paper and the writer told of the dire warnings handed down by the bbc not to tell the secret untill the episdoe had aired, if it was just the same actress being used twice then i doubt they would have bothered.
Firstly, while it got milked a bit at the end of the episode, the idea of a series based around the idea of "Doctor Who?" has a lot of promise. Since Moff took over one of the underlying currents of the show has been what is The Doctor really like if you strip away the rose-tinted glasses the people of Earth have for him because he likes us. So far we've had:Susan Arendt said:
The Pandorica Opens said:
A Good Man Goes To War said:
In this episode we find out the Doctor doesn't keep his name among the Daleks, but instead is known as "The Predator". I wouldn't be surprised if this is the running theme throughout this series, meeting different species who all have their own name for him either from previous meetings or legend. I would also dovetail nicely into a multi-doctor episode for the 50th anniversary as a case of "We've shown you how other species see the Doctor, now how does he see himself?"The God Complex said:
On other areas of the episode, I didn't see the twist coming, but thats due to me never looking particularly hard because in my opinion that just spoils all the fun. I'd be surprised if Oswin and the new companion arn't related in some way. This is partly due to the fact all the fans and press who saw screeners were asked to not mention who was playing Oswin until after it had aired as they wanted to keep it a secret, and partly due to Moffett being someone who plans ahead to a surprising degree.
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Ok, that's awesome.DVS BSTrD said:
Good recap, and good episode. I for one like the new Dalek design. I particularly like the deeper red colour given to the red Daleks in this series. It looks really cool.
He calls himself that at the end of the episode when seeing if the Daleks remember him.ritchards said:
Have to say, out of all his various names and titles, The Oncoming Storm is by far the best.
Too bad that Rory's leaving. Amy I'm not too bothered about, simply because Arthur Davill is the better actor of he and Karen Gillian and gets rewarded for it, seeing as Amy spends most of the time as a tagalong to the Doctor's A-plot while Rory is much more involved in the B-plots.
One thing I was discussing with a friend of mine was whether or not it was a good thing that the Doctor was smiling when he responds to Rory asking who killed all the Daleks. The Doctor's killed more Daleks than there have been Daleks (timey-wimey stuff) but he's never been happy about it before.
One thing I was discussing with a friend of mine was whether or not it was a good thing that the Doctor was smiling when he responds to Rory asking who killed all the Daleks. The Doctor's killed more Daleks than there have been Daleks (timey-wimey stuff) but he's never been happy about it before.
Well this doctor seems all too happy to enjoy the genocide of entire races, or have lest severely come to terms with all his mass murdering over the years, but at the same time he wants forgiveness from who exactly? Would have to be god himself to forgive all that .
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This bugged me as well. There are two options:Wilcroft said:
1. She hadn't met him yet
2. She had met him before (but forgets due to what happened to her) but this is the first time he meets her (same as River Song in her first appearance)
Now 1 can't work because that messes the timeline and means there's nobody there's no reason to go to the asylum as it was Oswin that caused the problems that lead to the Doctor being kidnapped (and the whole thing seems like one of those 'fixed' events (like Pompeii))
2 seems like the better option but it is a bit crap if they are just going to rip off the intro of the most important character from the last series (and future ones).
God knows how they're going to hand-wave this into working.