At what point should realism be stopped?
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Pretty much.devotedsniper said:
Of course: rather unrealistic shooters can be tonnes of fun (TF2, Bulletstorm, etc.) while realistic ones can be loads of fun too (Battlefield, Metal Gear Solid.) Fantasy settings may be grounded in a level of ordinariness and reality (perhaps the Witcher and Oblivion,) or they could be totally wacky (Little Big Planet.) Driving games could be unrealistic (Mario Kart,) or incredibly realistic (Gran Turismo.) Those above are all good games (if you disagree, just swap with another from the genre): it all depends on who's going to buy the game.
There is likely a relatively big market for an incredibly realistic 90% chance of incap/shot FPS, where a bullet to the leg will put you down but not out, and where you have to work in a fireteam, minimizing casualties as much as possible. Of course, we don't all want that, which is why we have CoD and TF2. Perhaps there's a trend of mainstream games going towards realism simply for the point of it, but that's not something inherently bad with realism, just with the industry in general.
Should stop if when you die, you can't continue as there are no saves or checkpoints in real life.
I wouldn't really call Counter Strike realistic. Yes being killed with one shot to the face is pretty realistic, but the uselessness of cover, fast running speed, and the ability to shrug off entire clips of assault rifle ammo at point blank range in any area other than the face is much less so. This isn't necessarily bad, but definately not realistic.PoisonUnagi said:
OT: I can enjoy any particular style except hyper realistic. The only experience I have with that style is the Arma 2 demo which I found terrible (probably because it didn't even bother to teach me the controls, and just plopped me down in a mission after the broken tutorial without telling me how I was supposed to handle my objective or even where to go.)
Okay the captchas are really getting annoying, and I know they're getting longer.
No good fantasy & Scifi novel that I am aware of add ridiculous looking/sounding stuff just for the hell of it. That would make it a very bad fantasy world. All of their unrealistic elements have a sort of rationalization behind them. They are there to keep your suspension of disbelief up and let you immerse in the world. Stuff like why Mages are capable of magic when normal human cannot, where do the demons come from/what are they etc... We accept those as part of what makes that fantasy world go around. They belong there.manythings said:
Rogue doing ridiculous stunts like teleportation, there is no real ingame explanation other than dumb cool-factor. It just looks silly. Same thing with enemies that explode to pieces from a mere dagger attack. Makes no sense. However those are just a gameplay elements. You dont see those things in lore elements like cutscenes, where people actually move and/or die quite "realistically" so to speak.
There is wisdom in this wo/man's words. I recall a complaint when someone said that DA2 felt like an anime since your character could do a butterfly kick [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IQ0cvrJRCs]. Never mind the fact that, according to the game lore itself, blood is the most powerful weapon anyone can wield (Circle origin anyone?), "here there be dragons" and all that, and one can vanish right in front of someone's face and they won't have any idea what the fuck just happened.Veldt Falsetto said:
Realism has it's place (i.e. military shooters, sports sims), but trying to impose a sense of hyper-reality where it doesn't belong just makes you sound like a tool.
You just put arbitrary percentages on something inherently unmeasurable. That makes you 85% stupid.
Realism should go as far as the story of the game, the art direction of the game, and mechanics allow. The mechanics come first and if you can make a game realistic while keeping them intact, gravy if not drop that bit of realism its unnecessary and probably unfun. If your story or artistic direction is inherently not very realistic (i.e. cell-shading to some extent or a game in space with future magicians) then your realism gets scaled back a bit. its a matter of seeing what people will expect based on the level of suspension of belief associated with the current game and setting and trying to match it.
Realism should go as far as the story of the game, the art direction of the game, and mechanics allow. The mechanics come first and if you can make a game realistic while keeping them intact, gravy if not drop that bit of realism its unnecessary and probably unfun. If your story or artistic direction is inherently not very realistic (i.e. cell-shading to some extent or a game in space with future magicians) then your realism gets scaled back a bit. its a matter of seeing what people will expect based on the level of suspension of belief associated with the current game and setting and trying to match it.
I know it's not very realistic, but it's still alot more realistic than most of my games.archvile93 said:
But why is A mage suddenly acceptable with all it's outlandishness versus someone being skilled in misdirection and moving very fast? People will happily guzzle insane nonsense and spew at the sight of something that's not quite right.MaaZeus said:
When it stops being fun. Some games work best when they're as realistic as conventions of the medium allow, like say survival horror, but I sure as hell don't want a realistic remake of Psychonauts or Spyro. Some grounding in reality often isn't a terrible thing, but, let's just put it this way, San Andreas was more fun than GTA4. Not saying one is better than the other, since I actually really like both, but one is definitely designed to be more fun.
Basically, some games should use as much realism as they can, some games should balance realism and fantasy, and some games should throw away any and all pretense of realism at the outset.
Basically, some games should use as much realism as they can, some games should balance realism and fantasy, and some games should throw away any and all pretense of realism at the outset.
When they're so realistic that the distinction between reality and virtual reality becomes blurred............manythings said:
In every art form, there are realistic and absurdist varriations. Both have their strenghts, so realistic games are a good devolopment insofar as that previously all games were absurdist due the technological limitations.
This statement is only true, however, if the games in question are truely realistic, and not just using realistic visuals as a substitute for maturity. Of course, no game can be truly realistic right now, but I think they can do better than RECOVERING FROM BULLET WOUNDS IN UNDER A MINUTE!
Seriously, magic health packs are more belivable than that,at least with them we can pretend that some actual medicine was used.
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Epic battle cry or what?
This statement is only true, however, if the games in question are truely realistic, and not just using realistic visuals as a substitute for maturity. Of course, no game can be truly realistic right now, but I think they can do better than RECOVERING FROM BULLET WOUNDS IN UNDER A MINUTE!
Seriously, magic health packs are more belivable than that,at least with them we can pretend that some actual medicine was used.
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Epic battle cry or what?
Get Irrational to make a cyberpunk Bioshock (No, I don't mean system shock), sort of chaotic future city, bristling with neon and scuzz, a permanent storm occupying the region!ronald1840 said:This is where graphical advancement and 'realistic' visuals need to cap off. The rest of gaming culture should focus on new game mechanics, audio, AI programming, and new design philosophies.
I mean this just screams Blade Runner to me. If this will eventually turn out a type of game like this and it's exclusive then I will gladly buy an Xbox or high end PC for it. I don't see how you can get more realistic than this without being creepy
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