How is making, through court injunction, another human being to not say something because it doesn't sit well your own beliefs forcing your view on another human being?Cheeze_Pavilion said:How is not wanting the phrase "So help me God" forcing your view on another human being? How is the request that the Oath of Inauguration be neutral on the subject of religion an instance of someone forcing their religious views on another human being?cuddly_tomato said:Because someone is forcing their own religious (or anti-religious) views on another human being. Come on dude that's just wrong.Cheeze_Pavilion said:How is not allowing the President to practice his religion in the course of performing his duties as President of all of us, whether we believe in God, the Goddess, gods and/or goddesses, or no gods or goddesses, the same as outlawing evolution in school or gay marriage?
I never said it designated Christianity, just that it was founded on Christian Beliefs. The US is definitely not designated a Christian nation (though it is worth pointing out that only one President to date has not been Protestant, and he was Catholic).Xiado said:He can if he wants to, america is about choice.No, for the time it was secular. The people who put it into the pledge and the inauguration did so at a time of christian domination, where no one could protest them. All the constitution does is mention god, it doesn't designate christianity or Jesus, because everyone did believe in god back then.ZacQuickSilver said:The US was founded on Christian beliefs,
Yes, as long as they provided the same for every other religion. If they provided it for only one, or gave preferential treatment to any one, then it would be unconstitutional. Since nobody wants to open that can of worms (If my religion demands Diamonds for its vestments, is that preferential, and if they refuse because I demand natural diamonds, are they discriminating...), I doubt it will happen.Cheeze_Pavilion said:So the government can collect tax dollars and give them to a Catholic Church to buy vestments for priests?ZacQuickSilver said:All the First Amendment does is say that the US Congress may not establish a State Religion, nor can it say that any given Religion is illegal.
I was referring to the puritans who founded the nation, actually.Credge said:It is? It's also honoring the nations roots? You mean the atheist and agnostic roots of our nation? Do tell.Space Spoons said:It's a Christian nation, like it or not. It's not like anyone's forcing atheists to become practicing followers. If anything, it's honoring this nation's roots.
I'm with you. If Obama has a God and he swears to do well it'll only motivate him more. Personally I would never consciously swear anything to God because even he probably doesn't want to be roped into politics, but you know, that's just me.xitel said:If Obama believes in God, then having him swear to God makes sense. If he didn't believe in God I would say yeah, don't make him say it, but when someone that believes in God says "so help me God", it means that if they don't keep their promise they'll be letting their god down.
I'm sorry I'm not sure what you mean by that. Are you saying atheists are non-conformist and turn to satanism/paganism? Or that theists are non-conformists who turn to satanism/paganism?Xiado said:Most atheists have chosen to be so by logic. People who are trying to be nonconformist mostly worship god. Every atheist I know is like that because they don't like the notion of religion, or logically believe that there is no god. Religion is the most important thing to many conformist people. Also, many who want to be nonconformist go through a "satanism phase" or try to be pagan. Not generalizing, but this is the trend I've seen.Armitage Shanks said:Mmm, I love the smell of a good generalisation in the mornin'!Nibbles said:Yes, all we need is an organization where all the rebellious unintelligent people can swarm to be non-conformist and cool. Face it, many atheists sound like and are exactly that.
You still get the odd atheist who will kill random people. And there have been some world leaders who have done terrible things to oppress religion because of their own atheism.ChristmasChild said:PETA is a terrorist organization, while Atheists are an ironic religion. There is a big difference.