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RicoADF

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Rattja said:
Think I went through 5 different cards before I just changed to Nvidia, never looked back.

Seriously though, all 5 cards had the same problem. After about a year or so the cooling fan started to come loose and it overheated constantly. I don't really care if this is a common problem for others or not, it's my experience and it sucked. That sound the fan makes when it is about to come loose... it's bad, and you know it's just a matter of time before it's dead.

So yeah I think mocking these cards is completely fair.
As someone that works in IT, has owned cards from both camps and love my 780ti, there's nothing wrong with AMD's quality. If you bought cards from dodgy brands then there's your issue, AMD and Nvidia don't build the cards, their made by Gigabyte, Sapphire, EVGA etc. I recommend Sapphire for AMD and EVGA for Nvidia. Gigabyte and Asus can be good for both but those 2 specialise in their sides.
 

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RicoADF said:
Rattja said:
Think I went through 5 different cards before I just changed to Nvidia, never looked back.

Seriously though, all 5 cards had the same problem. After about a year or so the cooling fan started to come loose and it overheated constantly. I don't really care if this is a common problem for others or not, it's my experience and it sucked. That sound the fan makes when it is about to come loose... it's bad, and you know it's just a matter of time before it's dead.

So yeah I think mocking these cards is completely fair.
As someone that works in IT, has owned cards from both camps and love my 780ti, there's nothing wrong with AMD's quality. If you bought cards from dodgy brands then there's your issue, AMD and Nvidia don't build the cards, their made by Gigabyte, Sapphire, EVGA etc. I recommend Sapphire for AMD and EVGA for Nvidia. Gigabyte and Asus can be good for both but those 2 specialise in their sides.
Hm I don't know.. All I know is that every single AMD card has had the same problem after some time, and at least 2 of them were Sapphire cards so don't really think the brand is the issue here. I also know this is not a problem people don't normally have, so maybe I am just extremely unlucky or something I don't really care. Bottom line is that all my AMD cards died this way, and my Nvidia cards never did.
Defend them all you like, but I will never risk hearing that loose fan sound again, it gives me nightmares.
 

Davroth

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I'm glad the kickstarter money is paying for your graphics cards, dear author.
 

RicoADF

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Rattja said:
Hm I don't know.. All I know is that every single AMD card has had the same problem after some time, and at least 2 of them were Sapphire cards so don't really think the brand is the issue here. I also know this is not a problem people don't normally have, so maybe I am just extremely unlucky or something I don't really care. Bottom line is that all my AMD cards died this way, and my Nvidia cards never did.
Defend them all you like, but I will never risk hearing that loose fan sound again, it gives me nightmares.
Sounds strange to have so many fan issues, I had the ATI 9250, x400, X1950GT, HD 5770 and HD 7950, all of them worked for years and were replaced because I wanted to improve performance, never due to fault. This isn't about defending them, as already stated I currently have the Nvidia 780ti and love it, just saying from experience there is little difference and when it comes to my next card I'll check both camps out and pick the best card available at the time. Which I recommend to everyone. After all Nvidia have had their shit cards as well, my fx5000 was junk and the only card I've ever had to return due to fault.
 

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IndieForever said:
The trick, of course, is to do none of the above. Don't buy a current generation card. Do what we do here in the studio which is to pick hardware we think we will be mid-range in 18 months and buy last-gen from suppliers keen to get rid of old stock. My dev rig has two 780Tis in SLI and cost next to nothing because everyone wants the latest and greatest. I can work and test an SLI setup, disable one if the drivers throw a hissy-fit and it has yet to encounter anything it can't handle at max-settings at 1440p. 4k is here, but it's not the modal setup.
Best advice right there!

Buying current gen cards is always a great way of disposing of money. Top of the line last gen equals the midrange version of the current and costs less than the lowest current. The only reason for a player to go with the top of the line current gen card is if you do professional competitive gaming. They have been benchmarked and tested against each other plenty of times so you get to choose the best of that generation regardless of NVidia or AMD/ATI.

Another bit of advice is when to buy a new card? When your cards generation is in the minimum specs list for games you are buying. You get about a year warning so you have time to save up for the best last gen card and have money to spare for things like a RAM upgrade, or a new HDD, a game Whatever. That wont mean you are eating Top Ramen for a month.
 

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IndieForever said:
When I started reading through this I initially assumed that this was the usual teenage-esque defense of 'whatever I happened to have purchased is obviously better than the other thing you bought.' Having seen the cards that people have had and decried as crap or praised as great, it's obviously older people. Very disappointing!

I had a Matrox Millenium. It lasted less than a year and stopped working. All Matrox cards are crap. What? That was just my own experience and some people may have got a decade out of them? No way! Whaddya mean they don't make them anymore...

The only thing this conversation proves is that quality control is really, really important in the electronics industry. Once you've sold someone a product that fails prematurely or doesn't live up to expectations, even though tens of thousands of others work just fine for a long, long time, you've lost them as a customer. And, with the reach of the internet, they can tell everyone that the 'Nvidia/AMD/Ati* xxxx' is utter rubbish and doesn't work properly. Oh, and those crappy Matrox cards. That will be right above the post that says how brilliant the 'Nvidia/AMD/Ati* xxxx' is and anyone who says otherwise is obviously having sexual relationships with someone in their family. Matrox cards will never be good though, because they're not made anymore and I bought a bad one.

* Delete according to how old you are!

It's been said already but worth repeating - these two companies leap-frog each other constantly but sometimes it's not clear where. AMD have pretty much bowed out of the single card top-end race but you can't go wrong with one of their mid-range offerings. Nvidia peddle over-priced coin-miners/folding machines/computational devices as well as the single best bang-for-buck card on the market - the 970. Who cares if you're actually missing 500Mb of VRAM - I build properly demanding games for a living and the news barely caught my attention.

When you're dealing with games shipped by the big publishers, who write their own engines, then some of what has been written above does come into play. Optimisation, bribes - oops, I mean technical advice and development assistance funding - all of that has been, can, and will be an issue.

For everything else that is built on a non-proprietary engine, it doesn't matter. Pick your budget, do a quick google search and you will find the best hardware for your price-point in minutes. Sometimes the winner is AMD, sometimes it's Nvidia. If you find they are equally good (the horror!), simply pick AMD if you live in a colder climate, preferably with cheap electricity, and Nvidia if you live in a warmer climate.**

**That previous sentence may or may not apply depending on which range you pick.

See how silly it all is?

The trick, of course, is to do none of the above. Don't buy a current generation card. Do what we do here in the studio which is to pick hardware we think we will be mid-range in 18 months and buy last-gen from suppliers keen to get rid of old stock. My dev rig has two 780Tis in SLI and cost next to nothing because everyone wants the latest and greatest. I can work and test an SLI setup, disable one if the drivers throw a hissy-fit and it has yet to encounter anything it can't handle at max-settings at 1440p. 4k is here, but it's not the modal setup.

On a different note, I've just bought a Volvo V70.

Feel free to post 'shut up dumbass, everyone knows Lamborghinis are faster like what I have and my super-model girlfriend's BMW is so much cooler. Stupid fag Volvo drivers.'

:)

Give this man a cigar, seriously.
No, give that person all the cigars. ALL of them.
 
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Dhael said:
You can't do that with Nvidia. You HAVE to trash your old card because Nvidia cards won't SLI across platforms.

pfft, duh, how else can they gouge more money out of you?


AMD's biggest problem is that they are garbage at making drivers, so it takes forever for the good drivers that can optimize the card to it's fullest potential to come out
while this is true, I know in the past nvidia (amd has done this a few times as well I think.) got "preferential treatment" by either the dev's/publishers, so the games were silky smooth with them and amd had to play catch up off the bat. (not an excuse, just context that happened sometimes.)

this was noticeable for amd as of recent though as well, such as I think tomb raider did it, and I think dragon age inquisition *kind of* was that way off the bat too, but they've both worked the kinks out for running on max as far as I know.
 

Tsun Tzu

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I've used both companies in the past and currently own a GTX 760 + an HD7950 my dad sent me, because he no longer needed it. If the 760 dies, I'll use the 7950. Don't see that happening any time soon though >_> so I may just sell the latter to upgrade the former.

ATI's driver support kind of sucked, but it ran well. Nvidia's got better support in both drivers and (it seems) from developers.

The current 'meta' has Nvidia roflstomping AMD in terms of performance and, honestly, the amount of performance per dollar just isn't worth waiting a bit longer to buy the Nvidia offering. Just sort of how it's working nowadays.

Kind of like how AMD used to be the gaming enthusiast CPU maker.

Annnnd noooot annnnymoooore.
 

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With recent advancements in the Cycles department, due in part to ATI's efforts, it appears that I may one day this Quarter be able to use an ATI card as a GPU renderer. With this in mind I might put serious consideration into buying one.

Especially when you have VRAM like this!!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195129&cm_re=firepro-_-14-195-129-_-Product
 

geier

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Well, my PC runs with a AMD, the last one did and the next one will also.
Even when the AMD is a little weaker then the Nvidea, i'm one of those guys who don't tollerate shady business practices like Nvidea is pulling constantly.
 

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Charcharo said:
As a person superior to AMD/Nvidia fanboys... basically fanboy to NEITHER...

AMD drivers = shit = Nvidia drivers
(ALL ARE FUCKING SHIT)

AMD cards = good = Nvidia cards @ similar price points

AMD quality = nvidia quality


Anyone who favors one over the other as a fanboy... is not someone I consider bright. At all.

Unfortunate, I see many escapists ... like this in the comments...
The actual tech built around nVidia GPUs is way better and much nicer to develop for. (Think shader debuggers, CUDA etc etc)

Make a developer happy, buy nVidia GPUs today!