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This is about the Warhammer End Times expansions. In short, over the last about a year and a half Games Workshop released a series of expansion rulebooks to its Warhammer Fantasy Battles tabletop game. They represented cataclysmic events called the End Times happening in the world of the game, with one book of the sets being rules for the game and another, much thicker book being a massive compendium of lore describing the events. In the fifth and final expansion, Archaon, the world is effectively destroyed along with all the races, factions and named characters (who number in the dozens) dying horribly in a storm of world shattering energies. And this is where I felt something weird.

I felt a strange feeling of loss. I've played WHFB for almost 9 years now, though only very rarely in the last 5 years, and was never that into the lore. But reading how Grimgor Ironhide gets his head lopped off, or how Malekith the Witch King lies dying under a pile of rubble with his dragon Seraphon dead at his side, or how Archaon, effectively the main villain of the WHFB world, falls into a bottomless pit of fire, I felt like departing from characters I'd known for years and years. Considering I knew them all effectively as fantasy tropes with stat lines, this was particularly weird. Perhaps there was some sort of attachment to the characters because I knew what each of their miniatures looked like, and their place in the world. The thought of them all (or even one to be honest) being eliminated altogether was something I'd never thought would get a reaction from me. Especially the beautiful artwork depicting Lovecraftian forces tearing the world apart at the end was particularly striking, and even sad. Perhaps because so few works of fiction ever end in the actual destruction of the world this stood out to me so much.

I guess the TL;DR would be that I found I had way more attachment than I thought to a part of my hobby I never considered important. Have you had similar experiences? Wherein something you've thought you had no emotional stake in suddenly gets that reaction out of you? I'm very curious, since this was a new feeling for me.

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TakerFoxx

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We who have played Vampire the Masquerade know exactly how you feel. Fuck you, Gehanna.

Also, learning Edward Kenway's eventual fate was sort of a kick to the gut, as he was the assassin I became the most fond of.
 
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Not really, but I can comment on the official death of the Warhammer World.

Having started and ended with 3rd ed it doesn't bother me too much from a fantasy battle/named character perspective, you didn't get named characters back in my day (except Gotrek and Felix or the people in novels) but having played a fair amount of 1st ed and then 2nd ed WHFRP it's a shame that the world is officially gone. Goodbye Bogenhafen, Wissenbad and Nuln, farewell Beilen, Schlaghugel and Frote. Alas, never again shall we trudge the poop laden back alleys of fair Marienburg...

Of course there's plenty of source material around already so it's not as if it's "gone" but I'm not sure how well 3rd ed WHFRP is doing, from what I can tell it's not had quite the same success as 2nd ed (essentially a different system) so once FFG drop it or go on to the next edition we might get no more officially produced old world warhammer material. There's always been tons of really good fan stuff for WHFRP, but having a company with the £ and resources to put together and distribute quality material is always nice.

Oh hang on, yeah. I was a bit sad when I heard they'd stopped making Technics 1210s. The wheels of steel, the ones and twos, finished with, the end of an era. :(
 

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inu-kun said:
Can anyone say to me what happened in Gehenna? Tried to fish for information but didn't find anything.
There are actually a number of different scenarios that the storyteller can choose from, most of them centered around one of the Antediluvians coming back and throwing a temper tantrum, but the gist of each one is, "Everyone's shit gets fucked. Good luck." It's especially frustrating for those who've played Bloodlines, as Gehenna is supposed to hit almost immediately after the game ends, so everything you worked so hard to achieve is just going to get destroyed in the vampire apocalypse anyway. Granted, White Wolf's approach to their own canon is, "Ignore what you don't like," but still...
 

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inu-kun said:
Can anyone say to me what happened in Gehenna? Tried to fish for information but didn't find anything.
From what I read on the White Wolf Wiki, it was a chain of events. First there was a red star in the sky which signaled the beginning. Then antediluvian(s) came back which caused some of the vampire clans to lose their shit essentially and then "the withering" happened, this was essentially the vitae of vampires losing its potency and eventually causing vampires to die. This caused mass embraces and diablerie to occur in an attempt by elders to slow this affect. SPOILER ALERT: It didn't work and the vampires were wiped out. I believe Mages and the like are still kicking about the world of darkness along with (possibly) some ghouls and thin-bloods (no longer vampires).
 

Thaluikhain

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Eh, over WHFB, but in the worldwide campaigns, Tycho died at Armageddon and Eldrad Ulthuan during the Eye of Terror campaign.

Now, I didn't like either of those characters, and the EoT stuff wasn't very good, IMHO, but killing off special characters (even though the stats are still round) was new back then.

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Likewise, when you go through a whole series and it ends and there isn't any more, especially if you do it in a hurry. But, better than it keeping on and getting progressively worse.
 

gigastar

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My attachment to the Command and Conquer franchise.

Suffice to say its demise, while long in the making, has left me extremely bitter towards EA.
 

CrystalShadow

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I've had that sensation a few times, but it's exceedingly rare.

I think recently, in Death Parade, the ending of that really made me feel it... Even though the entire premise of the series is such that as soon as you put two and two together it's completely obvious that that's how it'll end, it's still... Ugh.

Then there was this book (can't remember the name) some massive adventure to save the world, and just as it looks like the heroes are winning, everyone dies, and their entire cause is basically lost.
(especially because many of them have nearly died often enough to get you into the mindset of 'well, they've been in worse situations, I'm sure they'll get out of it last-second or something' - but then they don't... And it's like... What just happened!?)
Comes out of nowhere. Just... Totally guts you.
Though, I have heard this author is renowned for doing that, so I guess it would be less of a surprise to anyone familiar with their work, but to someone reading one of his books for the first time, it's... A real shock.