Australia First?

[Lord Krunk]

In all honesty, this is a non-violent version of the KKK. The resemblance in motives and ideals is uncanny.

 

[Layz92]

Oh I know. I have my reasons. If I really plan on staying over there (and I might, after a work holiday of a year), I better get myself some papers for a proper job, and TAFE looks rather affordable. I also plan on staying in Brisbane, which is (from what I've heard) cheaper than the rest. We'll see though, it's not sure if I'll stay, but some form of education looks rather vital if I want to.

If you end up in brisbane check out Yahtzee's bar while you are here.

On topic as long as they keep to their little xenophobic selves and don't gain much power they can boo and hiss all they like.

 

[fix-the-spade]

Hmmm... groups like this always go on the up during world wide recessions. Funny how struggling for money gives these people the leverage, or scape goat, to get themselves into public opinion and office.

I guess you have to ask, what would happen to Australia's economy if all the foreigners were locked out? I'm willing to bet the answer would be the exact opposite of what these guys are trying to sell.

 

[Kinshar]

What is this "traditional family" they speak of? Which tradition? NEWSFLASH: Leave it To Beaver was not a common household arrangement in the 1950s or any other time. A century ago in most of the world, including first world nations, it was not unusual for the lower classes to have three or four generations living in the same house. At the same time those lower classes would be aware of sex before most of the upper and middle classes were allowed to hold hands with a stranger. With over a dozen people in the household, many sharing the same bed, it isn't difficult for junior to figure out how babies are made. In the Lumber and Railway gangs the incidence of homosexual behaviors was if some scholars are correct pretty high.

Most of the "traditional family values" crowd, as if you can quantify morality, would turn purple at the idea of living like our ancestors. They desire to live out a reactionary fantasy of how things used to be that has no grounding in reality.

 

[Lord Krunk]

In all honesty, this is a non-violent version of the KKK. The resemblance in motives and ideals is uncanny.

Anti-immigration is not racism.

No, the KKK was, at it's heart, all about the 'True Americans First' idealism (in terms of rights, jobs and whatnot). These guys are doing the same thing except replacing 'Americans' with 'Australians'. And without the lynching.

 

[Nunny]

Don't. I can't speak for education in Holland, but down under it's pretty crap, if you really love the beach you might get a few good summers out of it at least. Our education is really, really expensive and not of a particularly high standard (the cost of living in Melbourne and more so Sydney are also rather high, so unless you have some serious cash saved up or are somehow entitled to an Australian work visa it isn't going to work out).

Oh I know. I have my reasons. If I really plan on staying over there (and I might, after a work holiday of a year), I better get myself some papers for a proper job, and TAFE looks rather affordable. I also plan on staying in Brisbane, which is (from what I've heard) cheaper than the rest. We'll see though, it's not sure if I'll stay, but some form of education looks rather vital if I want to.

Tafe is brilliantly cheap, however I'm not sure if international students get the same rates as local students, as it's almost entirely government funded.

It can cost a substantial amount if you dont get government funding, even with the discount im still paying around 2500 per year for my Tafe course.

 

[Dys]

Don't. I can't speak for education in Holland, but down under it's pretty crap, if you really love the beach you might get a few good summers out of it at least. Our education is really, really expensive and not of a particularly high standard (the cost of living in Melbourne and more so Sydney are also rather high, so unless you have some serious cash saved up or are somehow entitled to an Australian work visa it isn't going to work out).

Oh I know. I have my reasons. If I really plan on staying over there (and I might, after a work holiday of a year), I better get myself some papers for a proper job, and TAFE looks rather affordable. I also plan on staying in Brisbane, which is (from what I've heard) cheaper than the rest. We'll see though, it's not sure if I'll stay, but some form of education looks rather vital if I want to.

Tafe is brilliantly cheap, however I'm not sure if international students get the same rates as local students, as it's almost entirely government funded.

It can cost a substantial amount if you dont get government funding, even with the discount im still paying around 2500 per year for my Tafe course.

That's still relatively cheap, as I said above I'm paying over $6000 a year (excluding books, printing etc), which is after a 20% discount for paying upfront as well as all the government funding. In other countries (especially the U.S.A) it can get a lot more expensive.

 

[Nunny]

Don't. I can't speak for education in Holland, but down under it's pretty crap, if you really love the beach you might get a few good summers out of it at least. Our education is really, really expensive and not of a particularly high standard (the cost of living in Melbourne and more so Sydney are also rather high, so unless you have some serious cash saved up or are somehow entitled to an Australian work visa it isn't going to work out).

Oh I know. I have my reasons. If I really plan on staying over there (and I might, after a work holiday of a year), I better get myself some papers for a proper job, and TAFE looks rather affordable. I also plan on staying in Brisbane, which is (from what I've heard) cheaper than the rest. We'll see though, it's not sure if I'll stay, but some form of education looks rather vital if I want to.

Tafe is brilliantly cheap, however I'm not sure if international students get the same rates as local students, as it's almost entirely government funded.

It can cost a substantial amount if you dont get government funding, even with the discount im still paying around 2500 per year for my Tafe course.

That's still relatively cheap, as I said above I'm paying over $6000 a year (excluding books, printing etc), which is after a 20% discount for paying upfront as well as all the government funding. In other countries (especially the U.S.A) it can get a lot more expensive.

Without Government funding i think it was somewere between $8000-$20000.

Theres also the matter of accommodation ect, if one is coming from overseas.

 

[Vuljatar]

I don't see what the big deal is.

Out of their "Eight core policies", numbers 1, 2, and 6 all sound like great ideas, and the rest of them are too vague to make a proper judgment call on, though 5 sounds xenophobic even to me and it is quite easy to assume that number 7 is some Christian bullshit.

Why are you all jumping to conclusions and calling them racist, and even comparing them with the KKK?

 

[Dusty Donuts]

I give up on defending the Australian government. Actually, scratch that, I gave up defending the Australian government ages ago. It's people who refer to Australia wholly as an overall terrible country for gaming that I get mad. IT'S THE GOVERNMENT

 

[ottenni]

Thats ridiculous. Australia as we know it was founded on the concept of immigration. The average Australian is more of a mindset than anything else. So being so against immigration, specifically that of students, makes no sense to me.

While we are on the topic we need a new city. I vote we call it Awesomeville.

 

[Nunny]

Thats ridiculous. Australia as we know it was founded on the concept of immigration. The average Australian is more of a mindset than anything else. So being so against immigration, specifically that of students, makes no sense to me.

While we are on the topic we need a new city. I vote we call it Awesomeville.

Back when we were founded Australia was in need of more people, now we are starting to stretch the boundries of what we can sustain with the resources we have.

 

[KiKiweaky]

The amount of these parties around the world that are gaining power due to people's fears is a bit worrying :/ wonder what the planet will be like in 10 - 20 years.

 

[ottenni]

Thats ridiculous. Australia as we know it was founded on the concept of immigration. The average Australian is more of a mindset than anything else. So being so against immigration, specifically that of students, makes no sense to me.

While we are on the topic we need a new city. I vote we call it Awesomeville.

Back when we were founded Australia was in need of more people, now we are starting to stretch the boundries of what we can sustain with the resources we have.

Hence the new city concept. After all, its not like we can share our immaculate beaches with the world any other way.

 

[Nunny]

Thats ridiculous. Australia as we know it was founded on the concept of immigration. The average Australian is more of a mindset than anything else. So being so against immigration, specifically that of students, makes no sense to me.

While we are on the topic we need a new city. I vote we call it Awesomeville.

Back when we were founded Australia was in need of more people, now we are starting to stretch the boundries of what we can sustain with the resources we have.

Hence the new city concept. After all, its not like we can share our immaculate beaches with the world any other way.

Were would you put said city? destroy farm land and increasing our need for foreign exports? or putting it away from settled areas were they will need to bring water from the already struggleing water systems?

Edit: or destroy out native areas and helping drive exctinct more native wildlife.

 

[ottenni]

Thats ridiculous. Australia as we know it was founded on the concept of immigration. The average Australian is more of a mindset than anything else. So being so against immigration, specifically that of students, makes no sense to me.

While we are on the topic we need a new city. I vote we call it Awesomeville.

Back when we were founded Australia was in need of more people, now we are starting to stretch the boundries of what we can sustain with the resources we have.

Hence the new city concept. After all, its not like we can share our immaculate beaches with the world any other way.

Were would you put said city? destroy farm land and increasing our need for foreign exports? or putting it away from settled areas were they will need to bring water from the already struggleing water systems?

Edit: or destroy out native areas and helping drive exctinct more native wildlife.

I believe the favored theory is far north of Perth, up near where all the mines are. I know there's not many people up there, but i suspect there is a reason for that. All i know is that keeping people out is impossible.

 

[Nunny]

Thats ridiculous. Australia as we know it was founded on the concept of immigration. The average Australian is more of a mindset than anything else. So being so against immigration, specifically that of students, makes no sense to me.

While we are on the topic we need a new city. I vote we call it Awesomeville.

Back when we were founded Australia was in need of more people, now we are starting to stretch the boundries of what we can sustain with the resources we have.

Hence the new city concept. After all, its not like we can share our immaculate beaches with the world any other way.

Were would you put said city? destroy farm land and increasing our need for foreign exports? or putting it away from settled areas were they will need to bring water from the already struggleing water systems?

Edit: or destroy out native areas and helping drive exctinct more native wildlife.

I believe the favored theory is far north of Perth, up near where all the mines are. I know there's not many people up there, but i suspect there is a reason for that. All i know is that keeping people out is impossible.

I dont think anyone wants to keep everyone out, rather reducing the current rate.

Do we realy want to test how far we can get too overpopulation?

If i remember correctly the pop cap is somewere around 30mill, and were talking maximum so it would get uncomfortable for everyone a far amount before that.