Avatar Plot Humour (spoilers)

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Onyx Oblivion

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I saw Avatar.

I'd seen that...and so fucking what?

It's about the presentation, and besides, this type of plot isn't done enough if they only have Dances with Wolves and Poca-FUCKING-hontas to compare it to.

Unlike generic action movie #4590876.
 

Cherry Cola

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Yes, people have made Pocahontas jokes.

I have made Pocahontas jokes

Nothing really new
 

WrongSprite

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It's also the same as The Last Samurai.

This doesn't bother me, it's only a plotline, it still works.
 

Tiny116

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Plots are stolen adapted and plagiarised, Who gives a shit, doesn't mean the film can't be great.
 

steevee

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WrongSprite said:
It's also the same as The Last Samurai.

This doesn't bother me, it's only a plotline, it still works.
Ah! Thank you so much for reminding me of the Last Samurai! I'ma gunna go watch it right now seeing as I'm bored out of my brain.

I'd give you a cookie, but I'm not sure how to post pictures :/
 

Furioso

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Onyx Oblivion said:
I saw Avatar.

I'd seen that...and so fucking what?

It's about the presentation, and besides, this type of plot isn't done enough if they only have Dances with Wolves and Poca-FUCKING-hontas to compare it to.

Unlike generic action movie #4590876.
I second this statement!!
 

wooty

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WrongSprite said:
It's also the same as The Last Samurai.

This doesn't bother me, it's only a plotline, it still works.
The one thing that annoys me when people try and ridicule that film is this sentence "oh, how can the last Samurai be American, moan moan moan"

Samurai is plural, it means all of them, stop focusing on Cruise

Ahh, rant over, but your right, seems these story templates work so why not use them?
 

Pandairon

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TheNamlessGuy said:
Oh, wow, Avatar wasn't original?

Well I never...
That's exactly what I was thinking. It's still a fun movie and I don't get why people can't take entertainment for what it is, entertainment.
 

Toothache of Sauron

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I heard a critic in a program by a couple critics I like a lot and I can trust.

What they said:

- Wonderful effects.

- Very fun.

- A renewal of film.

- Piss poor story. Very predictable. It's Pocahontas, last mohican. Takes old films and makes a patchwork out of them. A masterfully glued patchwork, which is that holds the film together as fun. But the lameness of the story prevents it from being a masterwork as it would have been with a good story.

- Full of "goodism" (that is, weak childish kind of thought, we live in the country of lollipops and cute kitties and things work that way).

- A very rudimentary and obvious ecologist message.

- Fortunately the big FX display gets over everything else and makes it fun.

Their conclusion is that it's a must see, but not a great film.


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On my part, each new thing I know about it, the more I despise the film and more determined to never watch it.

I hate the good savage myth, so loved by every totalitarian regime. I don't think it goes to the extent of the aryan paradise of old where things were wonderful because the na'vi were pure bloods. I really don't expect it, would clash with other points of the film (goodism), so I don't expect the wheelchaired guy shown as the one who will bring the impure blood that will ruin the na'vi splendours. But still, the myth that everything that makes humans above animals should be removed, to express it directly to the last consequence. Yay for living in caverns and eaten by wolves before 18 years old or yay for the feudal style tyrannies.

I didn't like what I heard from someone about the big tree fall being reminding of the 11-S and the aftermath takes reminding him of the Zero Zone. Though it may in fact be something to see positively.

Now I find it's about some guy in a wheel chair that uses a telepathically and genetically engineered body to infiltrate and falls in love, etc, etc. Which in my opinion just destroys and makes cheesy the development of a possibly good thread to follow in the story. And makes me sure it is dealt in a very childish, or just simplistic, way.
 

TotallyFake

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You do know Star Wars is the exact same story as classical heroes? Orpheus, Hercules and the like. As is the Matrix: Destined person. Initially rejects that call to adventure. Accepts it. Trains. Faces challenges. Descends to the underworld. Comes back. Kicks ass. Broadly speaking, it's also the story of Jesus. Oh, and Narnia, yeah, Jesus. Also God of War.

Or that Harry Potter is star wars?
Harry/Luke, you're a Wizard/Jedi. You're parents were also Wizards/Jedi, killed by an evil Wizard/Jedi. I'll take you away from your maternal Aunt/paternal Uncle and you can learn to be a wizard/Jedi. And you'll help us kill the evil wizard/jedi, because you're so awesome.
Oh, and Star Wars = Dune. So Harry Potter = Dune. And Eragon.

Or how about, Avatar is Aliens?
Starts with people in cryosleep.
Tough talking Sargent.
Strong female military Latina who dies partway through.
Sigourney Weaver being maternal.
Final line of Alien/Alien3 = Final line of Avatar.
And Avatar = Gamer
Man possess another body. People implementing the possession are evil, man turns against them.

Or Star Trek is Star Wars?
Young hotshot, big alien planet destroying machine, take down the baddies with a single missile shot.
Star Trek =/= Harry Potter or Dune though.

Disturbia = That Simpsons episode when Flanders kills his wife.
Lord of the Rings = Redwall as XKCD says "I'm here to reforge my sword so I can lead an army against a tyrant threatening my people. I live in a world of moral absolutes and racist undertones"

I can keep this up all day. Plots get recycled. Especially archetypal plots like Star Wars and Avatar had. This has NOTHING to do with the quality of the film.
 

Toothache of Sauron

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Yeah, the problem is that though the joining of the story elements is done in a way they hold together, the final story seems to be pretty weak.

Yeah, malicios. all those contaminating cars are nothing. We know that we shall put the batteries of our walkmans to special treatment, because their acid is thousands worse that a whole year of a big city's fueled traffic contamination. Now we're asked to change that fueled contamination with battery propelled cars, a single of which we've been told in past years that one day of one of them would be worse for the ecosystem that a full year of six millions of them.

It's like ecological gas buses in Madrid. I quote from the local news:

«These are the data of the new ecologic friendly buses:

- 10% less emission of NO2.

- 5% less emission of some other gas.

- 25% higher emission of CO2 which is the worst of all of them for the ozone layer.»
 

Simalacrum

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Apr 17, 2008
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erm...

Avatar was never about the story dude, nobody really gave a sh** about that part of the whole shinanigans.

The point of the film is that its SO FU**ING PRETTY that you'd think you were there.
 

Cpt_Oblivious

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Jan 7, 2009
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What? One story showing similarities to another? Unbelievable!
Simalacrum said:
The point of the film is that its SO FU**ING PRETTY that you'd think you were there.
That too. Although you misspelt fucking.
 

TotallyFake

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Also, has anyone seen Battle for Terra (trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93YXb9aq5i4&feature=related )?

How are people criticising Avatar for ripping off Dances with Wolves when THIS film is coming out. Also in 3D. With the trailer right BEFORE Avatar.
 

El Poncho

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I posted a plot of pocahontus then places the character names, before so it's a bit old now since everyone has made these jokes.
 

RanD00M

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I don´t care what people say about it.

I just saw it last night and it's awesome.

Sure the plot has been done.But as Onyx Oblivion stated,it's about the presentation.
 

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StormFella
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Ok, why is everyone complaining about how Avatar isn't original? Look at every romantic comedy ever made. Every sports underdog movie ever made. Then a sci fi action movie comes out that has a similar plot to maybe 3 movies and everyone flips their shit. I dont get it.