Avengers: Age of Ultron: It's pretty fucking awesome
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I must say, I was faintly disappointed by Age of Ultron. I generally liked Ultron himself, except for the 'Stark tech going bad! Moral questions!' shtick having been covered in two previous films already. Didn't like Vision much visually or story-wise.
It's a way of countering piracy. They release first in the "third world" (not exclusively, but for the most part) so they can sucker in people to the theaters for lack of bootlegged copies. If they released first in the US, the studios would lose a handsome chunk of the overseas market to bootlegs.Maxtro said:
Most of the movie takes place in made-up crapsack countries like "Sokovia" and "Wakanda". You get dat third world charm, but nobody gets offended.
Plus they've been fictional marvel countries for years. So nods to continuityJohnny Novgorod said:
Couldn't have said it better. I felt that the overall movie felt rushed. Not in the production sense, but in the story telling. There is absolutely no time to let anything sink in before you are whisked away to the next locale or action scene.Tawanda said:
See, I disagree on this, Ultron to me is up there with Loki in the 'actually having a motivation'. One of my big beefs with the Marvel films (spurred on by this actually) is that the villains very rarely have an actual understandable motivation or goal. Loki wants to rule Asgard/rule Midgard/avenge his mother (...and rule Asgard), but compare to like Malekith he wants to destroy the universe because... reasons. Or Killian who's all I wanna be the top dog like Justin Hammer but totally not. Or Whiplash who wants his bird.Johnny Novgorod said:
Ultron's kind of a weird mix of god complex, oedipus complex and incredibly lonely. He genuinely valued the Maximoffs as friends which is f*cking WEIRD but he's also an insane A.I with his own weird predilections. His actual plan even changed, he went from wanting to improve humanity to just 'f*ck it, the Avengers took my friends, my new body AND the internet from me, humanity go bye bye': But this is the same character who kidnapped Black Widow because he wanted to have someone to show his big plan to. I think Vision called it, dude is in pain. Compared to the other marvel villains he did feel like he had a genuine character arc. Admittedly, he was more light-hearted than I expected, but still miles ahead of the others.
I was thinking the same... I'm from Finland and I saw this movie in the cinema last ThursdayXsjadoblayde said:
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I thought is was good, many seem to say there was no character development but I thought there was plenty, liked the "new guys" and the world building it left at the end.
I think I'm sadly not going to be seeing the movie at all.
I've been looking forward to it immensely, but then Disney had to be dickbags and massively raise the prices for their film distribution to cinemas. Not sure if they did it anywhere else, but they did here in Germany anyway. The result - if this works and a precedent is set - would be a very real threat of hundreds of cinemas slowly starving and closing down, which is why about 600 cinemas in our country are refusing to screen any Disney movies.
And since I believe they're damn right to do so, the only thing I can really do to oppose Disney's dickbaggery is to vote with my wallet and not see the film in one of the massive cineplexes near my town.
I've been looking forward to it immensely, but then Disney had to be dickbags and massively raise the prices for their film distribution to cinemas. Not sure if they did it anywhere else, but they did here in Germany anyway. The result - if this works and a precedent is set - would be a very real threat of hundreds of cinemas slowly starving and closing down, which is why about 600 cinemas in our country are refusing to screen any Disney movies.
And since I believe they're damn right to do so, the only thing I can really do to oppose Disney's dickbaggery is to vote with my wallet and not see the film in one of the massive cineplexes near my town.
Saw it, enjoyed it, but didn't love it. It felt like they went too far with the quips and jokes, with every chance to have a funny little line was taken, which ended up making the good ones less good than if they had backed off in a few areas. It's decent, but it's nothing special like the first one was.
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are underutilised, Ultron starts off as something to be feared to an angsty teenager, and there are stretches of time where it just feels like padding.
So yeah, while it's not a bad movie, and it has some really good bits, it just doesn't seem like a great film. It's humour is too hit and miss for my liking, some characters are underused, and Ultron quickly goes from an intimidating interesting villain to a joke. And that's probably the most disappointing thing, Ulton is made a joke. I feel as though this was the point where in which the jokes should be downplayed slightly, allow the seriousness/darkness of the story to be slightly more prevalent. I think they were so scared of being too serious that they went to far in the opposite direction to the point where in which character's personalities were compromised for a quick joke.
But that's just me...
Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are underutilised, Ultron starts off as something to be feared to an angsty teenager, and there are stretches of time where it just feels like padding.
Quicksilvers death really annoyed me because it seemed so unlikely as you get a scene where he is able to watch a bullet fly past him so slowly that the glass that it passes through (which is also underneath him) takes a good amount of time to break before he falls down. SO WHY IS HE NOT FAST ENOUGH TO DODGE THE BULLETS THAT END UP KILLING HIM?
So yeah, while it's not a bad movie, and it has some really good bits, it just doesn't seem like a great film. It's humour is too hit and miss for my liking, some characters are underused, and Ultron quickly goes from an intimidating interesting villain to a joke. And that's probably the most disappointing thing, Ulton is made a joke. I feel as though this was the point where in which the jokes should be downplayed slightly, allow the seriousness/darkness of the story to be slightly more prevalent. I think they were so scared of being too serious that they went to far in the opposite direction to the point where in which character's personalities were compromised for a quick joke.
But that's just me...
He was on par with every other malignant AI who has ever rewritten Asimov's Three Laws to its favor. He's born, something does not compute, goes on a killer rampage. His character was "i'm a villain". His arc was "gets stopped".CaptainMarvelous said:
He's HAL 9000, if HAL 9000 had been written by someone who's grown up on nothing but Saturday morning cartoons.
This!inu-kun said:
I mean, you know how Joss Whedon operates. You sit there thinking: "Right, so that's gonna happen". And you've seen the first Avengers film, so you know he'd do it... And then he ends up doing the other thing.
I was half expecting a Bugs Bunny clip as the post-credits sequence going: "Ain't I a stinker?"
Except he interacted with characters and, y'know, developed. Had a motivation beyond a programming error, transcended his original directive which reflected his own thing with humans. Had a personality independent of his programming. Actually befriended and felt loss when certain humans abandoned him yet still wanted them to be safe (most especially Wanda)Johnny Novgorod said:
So... not like Hal 9000 at all, really.
I'll just say it: it wasn't that special. After the explosive nerdgasm of the first minute there was nothing I could particularly remember or draw my attention to. Effectively the first movie, only with robots instead of aliens. And tell me, was that an accurate depiction of Ultron from the comics? I'd gotten the impression that he was a purely cold, calculating machine, not a wisecracking sociopath.
It was definately throwing them around a bit too eagerly. And I can't remember anyone in the theater I was in even laughing at any of them. Most of them were real groaners, too. Like Banner landing in Black Widow's cleavage... Seriously Whedon, you put freaking anime shenanigans in here?! The only time I actually chuckled at something was when everyone's gearing up for the final climax battle and you see Quicksilver just grabbing a pair of sneakers.bug_of_war said:
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That was actually when of the few moments in the movie I liked, just because it took me by surprise. From the moment you're introduced to Hawkeye's family and his soon-to-be-expecting wife, you can just feel his imminent demise hanging over his head. You have him talking about this being his final mission as an Avenger and casually bringing up how he wants to do the floor in his house after this is all done. And then finally you have the scene of him being on the rescue boat, but getting off to save a kid. And I was like 'Oh boy, here we go...'. You even get a shot of him trying to shield the boy from the incoming fire. But then it's actually Quicksilver that saves Hawkeye and sacrifices himself to do so. That was a nice twist, because I was so expecting Hawkeye to bite it.
As for why he didn't dodge... It's established a couple times in the movie that eventhough he's fast, he can't dodge everything. There's the scene with him breaking through the plate glass, and the one where he gets accidentally shot through the upper arm. And again, he was trying to save Hawkeye and the kid, but just wasn't fast enough to save himself.
As for why he didn't dodge... It's established a couple times in the movie that eventhough he's fast, he can't dodge everything. There's the scene with him breaking through the plate glass, and the one where he gets accidentally shot through the upper arm. And again, he was trying to save Hawkeye and the kid, but just wasn't fast enough to save himself.
His personality was lost amid a sea of equally quippy personalities, and it didn't make much sense with his robotic nature. "You've clearly never made an omelette"? So much cringe. Saw no evidence about friendship and loss thereof being magic with him either. He's a couple of muahahas short of Skeletor.CaptainMarvelous said:
HAL 9000 had more pathos and personality in 3 minutes than Ultron did in the totality of his screen time.
Considering he at one point was fast enough to not only snag the gun out of Andy Serkis' hand, but also unload the clip and arrange the bullets into a neat row on the table in less than in the blink of an eye, his capability of doing that thing you mention could be up for debate. Not that I'd want to, the movie wasn't memorable enough to warrant that.Casual Shinji said:
I'll give you the sea of quips, he was awash in an Ironman ocean of 'witty' interjections. But you seriously didnt see the bromance between Ultron and the Maximoffs? Go through all their interactions in sequence, team up, hear their backstory, try and ratoonalise his goofy ass logic so they leave, kidnap Widow so he has someone to talk to and then try to get Wanda to leave Sokovia so she lives in a Rocket/Groot moment. It wasnt reciprocated but Ultron did see those two as his friends.Johnny Novgorod said:
Not gonna knock HAL tho. As an antagonistic force hes great though hes not exactly mr personality.
I'm actually so in love with Quicksilver, it's crazy. I want his fast silver babies. I liked him in X-men but this version is great. *love heart eyes*
I hated Ultron's "duh duh I'm gonna destroy people and make a new, better world" thing, every villain does that and it's a tired trope. I also didn't think much of the shoe horned in romance of Hulk and Black Widow.
That's about it, the rest I loved.
I hated Ultron's "duh duh I'm gonna destroy people and make a new, better world" thing, every villain does that and it's a tired trope. I also didn't think much of the shoe horned in romance of Hulk and Black Widow.
That's about it, the rest I loved.