Baldurs Gate II, a console tards shocking discovery

sammyfreak

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(note that I don’t really intent this to be a fair or honest review, nor am i trying to judge the game by its own merits)
More then any game before it do I regret installing Baldur’s Gate II on my computer. Not because it was the worst 4 hours I have spent in a game (it wasn’t, not really), but because it made me hate a beloved classic that has received so much praise.

A day or two ago I was chatting with a friend about games in general and during our discussion it came up that I had never played the Baldur’s Gate games and she insisted on their awesomeness. Fine, cool, I have heard the games praises be sung from every rooftop in the western hemisphere of the internet, surely I should indulge myself into such a masterpiece.

After getting a hold of the game and finally getting the network set up my two friends and I started our adventure (another had joined our ranks by this time). I decided to play a mage upon the instance from my friend of their total awesomeness, but immediately on the character creation screen warning lights were flashing in my face, I had more starting spells to choose between then I ever had on my World of Warcraft mage. What the fuck? How the hell am I supposed to know the game mechanics well enough to carefully select the 10-20 spells I needed, why couldn’t the game give me magic missiles and some defensive spell and introduce the rest to me later.

But the moment Minsc started talking everything turned into gold, GOLD I say, real fucking Au. He was one of the main reasons I wanted to play this game, having heard so much about him from various source all testifying his complete and utter awesomeness. And hearing a big man with a hamster speak about the collective butts of evil being kicked my heart melted and my throat was howling with laughter. But then another twist was added to my experience, Minsc stopped talking. And the game turned to stone. While my friends were happily chatting about traps and saving throws I was trying to figure out what was going on, where are my spells, how do they work, why cant I just drag them from my spell book to my quickbar? And why the hell was I supposed to control two characters (we had two each), can’t the computer do that for me so I can try to have fun with my mage? But the game seemed to find me unworthy and refused to relent on any of these issues. Soon my friends told me a little bit about how to use spells and we started our long quest through the initial dungeons that I was again and again assured was way worse then the rest of the game.

Already was I grumbling under my breath about how unintuitive the whole game was. After spending most of my RPG life playing Diablo II, WoW and Oblivion I couldn’t help but feel that the UI was shit, the combat was dull, the controls awful and the fact the game seemed to be laughing at me behind its back. To make it all better my friends started explaining things after a while, like how apparently I didn’t start on level one (I never did manage to figure out what level I was on my own, but they said it was eight so I decided to trust them) or that the game was less of a sequel and more of an expansion pack to the original…

Maybe there was the problem. Maybe I was just approaching the series from the wrong direction. But really, if Baldur’s Gate II is the greatest game of all time, why isn’t it fun? Why does it seem to demand I spend hours understanding it before I can get to the actual fun stuff. Maybe its like a rite of passage, if you can endure the horrible start you can finally stand there with something like Diablo II, but with awesome characters and story. But alas no, I have given up on Baldur’s Gate and possibly the entire world. A game that makes me think of graphs and math instead of glorious monster slaying is not a game I like. And not liking Baldur’s Gate makes me a console tard right? Okay, I guess I accept the title. But I fear not, for after my impending breaking of fast I shall play Call of Duty 4 and laugh like and idiot while I shoot mindless headshot after mindless headshot.
 

Sniper_Zegai

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Don't make me angry, you would'nt like me when I'm angry....

*reads review*

Grrrrrrr. . . .fanboy transformation. . .cant stop it. . .Graawwwwwwww!!!

ZOMG, howz dare you mok teh graytest game evah!

Seriously though I love BGII with avengance but its not for everyone by any means. And if you consider Diablo II an RPG (Oh I went there!) then I dont think Baldur's Gate will ever be your cup of tea.

Unfortunatly I am a BG fanboy so I'm afraid I have to firebomb your house now but beyond that funny review.
 

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I think its a game you need to play on your own so you can check things out at your own pace. Also I think you need to think of the combat more like a strategy game than a action adventure like diablo, and if thats not your thing your just not going to enjoy it i guess.

Saying all that i love this game so much, a game that's easily over a 100hours and isn't full of grind is something you just don't see often, especially now.
 

sammyfreak

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I would also like to note that i suffered D&D infused nightmares last night.

Mr Gygax is haunting me from beyond the grave, i bet my copy of Mass Effect will soon stop working.

lordcabal, i just cant find it in myself to enjoy strategy in any game (except chess). Even in RTS i dont use strategy, i just take the coolest unit and build as many as i can. And roleplaying games for me should either be like a novel or a virtual playground.
 

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Whilst my initial reaction was to jeer at you for being a 'tard if you don't get the BG2, then I realised it was based on 2nd Ed D&D, which is pretty much the single most misconcieved and counterintuitive RPG system of all time.

Once you do bend your head around it though, BG2 is still pretty much the best computer RPG of all time. Barring possibly Planescape: Torment.
 

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Its a bloody hard game to get at first. I doubt I would have gotten it had I not picked up the demo, tried it out due to boredom... finished it... Then I wanted to know more. Since them, I've played far more hours of it than any of my other single player games. The shining gem of BGII is not the gameplay, but rather the story, greatest fanasy tale I?ve ever experienced, and most importantly, the Characters within the story and how they react to it differently, the tale twists and turns all over the place with the different personalities.

Your first mistake may have been choosing a mage to play. IMO their useless to be as there are several good mage characters. I didn't even use spells for a long time on my first playthrough, until I had it figured out. Mages are far to complex starting out in BGII in comparison to other games.

Still, the characters are great. I don?t know how many different configurations I?ve tried, the game charges dramatically with different configurations, and then gets more complex with items and stuff. Its very daunting to people who have been raised on user friendly, hack ?n? slash games with very little role playing, but once you get into it, your hooked.

I find most chosen characters are Imoen, Nalia and Arie, usually together. Three Mages with other abilities that make them versatile, and the number making up for their lack of individual specialisation makes for some pretty interesting fights. Give them the right items, and just the three can brake the game*. Arie with that crazy arse war hammer she can?t lift without special enchantments is deadly to say the least. The three are also dam good characters to boot, once you get past some of their personality qirks. Like being annoying as shit sometimes.

<3 at Minc though. He?s never annoying.

** With the exception of the final fight in Throne of Bhaal.
 

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Big thing to remember with BG - you have to like D&D, and old, sucky D&D on top of that, and not having a DM in the room to throw things at and bribe on top of that. I think it was really more for all those closeted D&D fans who for social reason wouldn't actually play the game with people anymore, and as some sort of fluke a lot more people liked it.

Personally, as cool as D&D is in theory, I've never actually enjoyed it, and am far more of the Diablo fan. I don't care what numbers you're crunching to decide whether I kill stuff or not. Just make it die most of the time.
 

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Baroque said:
I agree with my father
No, I AM your father!

Anyways... The game has fun 'bits'. Some missions and characters are enjoyable and once you get your head around the spell menu they can offer really strategic gameplay to it (if it's fun then why is illegal in the city!!!). Other then that it's pretty much grindtastic to quote Yahtzee.

Also that start dungeon sucks the dinky dong. After the 60th time it is so long and boring to navigate.
 

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I think your just not the type of person who would like BG2.
But.....

HOW DARE YOU! IT'S THE BEST GAME EVER!

Moving on, your review is hard to read. Not from bad structure but because I am a BG fanboy. However you only said what you think so I can't complain too much.
 

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This post reminds me of how I started my lovestory with the game. I hated it at first. I didn't know anything about DnD or the Baldur's Gate series beforehand. (SoA was the game I played first. I played BG1 years later.) I didn't know I had to pause the game and constantly check out my inventory, character sheet, spellbook, or map. It is a niche of a game to get into, especially if you're new to DnD, but I tell you, after I got the hang of the thing (shortly after Irenicus' dungeon) it became my favourite game within a day. Minsc talks again, I assure you, and if you get the Unfinished Business and Quest Pack mods you get more of his dialogue with a quest or two to boot, just for him.

You'll meet other great and terrible (but in a good way) and even more terrible (and in an even better way) characters. You haven't laughed your ass off at Edwina yet!

If you still can, I encourage you to play the game singleplayer, and get used to controlling the entire party (I can't stand games that don't allow me complete control over my party members). I only played multiplayer to PvP, honestly.

It is the most immersive and engaging story I have ever played through. I can say that safely and not look at myself funny in the mirror, because to me it's undisputed.
 

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As much fun as BG2 is on its own, when you do what I do and install as many mods as you can, the game gets *even better*.

If I could only suggest one mod to you, it would be "Dungeon Be Gone". Never have to fight your way through that first area ever again, and don't lose any of the loot!
 

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A bit of background into BG would serve you well I think. Its a sequel, specifically one which carries on from the previous game and furthers the story of your character. You mention spells and why you have so many at the start - hate to break it to you but because of the reason stated you don't start at lvl 1. After saving the day in BG 1 you are just a tad experienced.

There are quite a lot of problems with the game though i.e. charisma, evilness, quests that should have been more thought out / should not be available to certain parties depending on reputation etc but its a good game if your willing to have the patience to sit down and play it through to the end
 

sammyfreak

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Yes yes, i know im aproaching it from the wrong angle and one has to enjoy D&D to like it. But i would apreciate some more feedback on the writing.
 

sammyfreak

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stinkypitz said:
The writing itself was good, and i respect your opinions.

But its wrong.
I wonder, is there a career to be made out of being mean to D&D fans? Lots of untaped money to be invested in Bungie stock?
 

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Although you make the laugable assertion that Diablo is an RPG, it does reveal allot about your tastes. Something as slow paced, dense and complicated as an old school PCRPG is most emphatically NOT going to be for everyone. Someone raised on simpler modern games is going to have a very hard time finding fun in something like Baldur's Gate.

'But the game seemed to find me unworthy' I find that bit rather profound. I happen to be playing Jagged Alliance 2 right now and it has the highest concentration of complexity, poor documentation and unintuitiveness of any game I've ever played. I didn't start really enjoying it until messing with it for at least fire hours and most people aren't willing to sit through that. If you didn't know how D&D 2nd worked beforehand then good god that must have been frustrating.

At the very least, you need to give a guy who likes shallow games credit for jumping in the deep end instead of just shunning it entirely.

(I realize this sounds condecending, I just cant think of any other way to say it. Sorry)