..You came to the religion and politics forum to get away from the political conversations on the internet..?SamHughes said:
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Well, that makes sense why she'd want that, because she's really old and probably doesn't get cable and is completely out of touch with society as a whole.
And, really, no one discriminates against the Boy Scouts. It never happens.
Unless you're the president and have already planned to go on a talk show, anyway :/
And, really, no one discriminates against the Boy Scouts. It never happens.
Unless you're the president and have already planned to go on a talk show, anyway :/
Alright, I'm going to nip this in the bud here: ONE ARTICLE DOES NOT REPRESENT ALL OF ESCAPISM. STOP DOING THAT DETH2MUKIES.deth2munkies said:
I just came from Fox News where evidently everyone born here illegally is going to be a suicide bomber and the president was born in Africa.
The game ban is far from the worst thing on the list. Other contenders:
HOME SCHOOLING: "No publicly funded school or organization shall deny home-schooled students the right to participate in sports, extracurricular activities or scholarships." Explanation: Home-schoolers pay taxes and should not be discriminated against.
If you don't go to the school, why should you be allowed to participate in the extracurricular activities?
ELECTION FRAUD: "To protect the integrity of elections, voting shall be on Election Day with photo ID required, and early or mail-in voting shall be allowed only for good cause." Explanation: Early voting is undermining Election Day and encouraging voter fraud.
Lots of people can't afford to take off work on election day. The poorer they are, the more likely this measure is to result in de facto disenfranchisement.
VACCINATION: "There shall be a philosophical exemption to all vaccination requirements, and no student shall be denied admission to a public school for lack of vaccination unless justified by a certified epidemic of a disease at that location." Explanation: About one-third of states already allow families to decline vaccination for any reason, a right enjoyed for other medical treatments.
So, because YOU think Jenny McCarthy is a medical expert, I have to risk my kid getting polio?
Bad proposals, such as resolutions to call a national constitutional convention under Article V or to replace the Electoral College with a so-called National Popular Vote must be rejected. Those schemes would undermine our U.S. Constitution at the expense of the American people.
All the electoral college does is discount an arbitrary number of votes. You would get equally valid results if you decided by coin toss whether or not to count a given ballot. The only people who benefit are the politicians who control the redistricting process.
HOME SCHOOLING: "No publicly funded school or organization shall deny home-schooled students the right to participate in sports, extracurricular activities or scholarships." Explanation: Home-schoolers pay taxes and should not be discriminated against.
If you don't go to the school, why should you be allowed to participate in the extracurricular activities?
ELECTION FRAUD: "To protect the integrity of elections, voting shall be on Election Day with photo ID required, and early or mail-in voting shall be allowed only for good cause." Explanation: Early voting is undermining Election Day and encouraging voter fraud.
Lots of people can't afford to take off work on election day. The poorer they are, the more likely this measure is to result in de facto disenfranchisement.
VACCINATION: "There shall be a philosophical exemption to all vaccination requirements, and no student shall be denied admission to a public school for lack of vaccination unless justified by a certified epidemic of a disease at that location." Explanation: About one-third of states already allow families to decline vaccination for any reason, a right enjoyed for other medical treatments.
So, because YOU think Jenny McCarthy is a medical expert, I have to risk my kid getting polio?
Bad proposals, such as resolutions to call a national constitutional convention under Article V or to replace the Electoral College with a so-called National Popular Vote must be rejected. Those schemes would undermine our U.S. Constitution at the expense of the American people.
All the electoral college does is discount an arbitrary number of votes. You would get equally valid results if you decided by coin toss whether or not to count a given ballot. The only people who benefit are the politicians who control the redistricting process.
She is a conservative, so the Anti-video game stance is kinda obvious, but seriously....Anti-Feminism holy crap women have rights and can form there own opinions.
I seriously hope this woman realises that without the feminist movement there is no way she could have gotten into Politics in the first place....idiot
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I seriously hope this woman realises that without the feminist movement there is no way she could have gotten into Politics in the first place....idiot
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Again, is this women stupid or something thats like saying hey this small group of people do something WHY THE HELL AREN'T THE REST OF YOU!.....maybe because minority doesn't rule you imbecile. Seriously i have known about this women for like 5 minutes and i already dislike her.
Not puffed up, not American and I did give the gist of what the issue is further in the post. I'm just tired of people saying stuff like "stop making a fuss" as if they even half understand the issue, thinking the two systems are completely identical.UberNoodle said:
GTA represents an exaggeration of the...lower-class style of life. A kid who grows up with that as his guide grows up suspicious and smart. It also helps to teach people to not judge based on appearances or origins. Sounds a bit silly, but it helped with my open-mindedness. When you play through Niko's story, it helps you realise that just because he's an illegal immigrant and a criminal, it doesn't mean he's an outright evil person to be hated and ignored.lovest harding said:
The only thing wrong with this is that the artificial intelligence isn't sophisticated enough to portray policemen who aren't total dicks.
It isn't run by the mormon church,but they do employ a number of officials from various religions,the controversial policies of the Scouts(not allowing homosexuals,atheists,etc.) have been there since their fundation.manythings said:
It's human nature to suffer from "confirmation bias" and to automatically seek out "facts" that reinforce, instead of challenging, our own prejudices. Of course this lady assumes videogames are harmful.
It still doesn't make sense. BSA is still a faith-based organization in the United States. It doesn't matter if it's a sin. Two of the most basic tenants are to be trustworthy and honest. If you lie about the most basic part of your membership, having some religious faith (another tenant: reverent), it's not a question of whether you're a sinner, it's a question of whether you can fulfill the requirements to be an Eagle Scout. If Eagle Scout is a position of honor in a faith-based organization, it inherently requires you to have faith, much like a Cardinal must, at some point, believe in Catholicism, even if he only joined the church because he liked to go on picnics and play sports. Like I said before: just because an organization does things that aren't inherently religious doesn't make it secular.GrizzlerBorno said:
The reason I 'lumped together' atheists and agnostics is because agnostics are also disallowed in the BSA, as per the link I provided before. Robert Baden-Powell believed that spirituality was important to development, so that's how the BSA bases its policy. Even non-theistic belief systems, like Buddhism, are allowed to have members.
Again i understand what you're saying and it just seems foreign to me. so let me ask you this: Do YOU agree with the BSA system? I know i don't know you, but still. Do you think it's right that BSA has religious restrictions whereas most scouting organizations in the world do not. Do you think it should be secular like most other organizations?Scout Tactical said:
Then why were there openly gay scouts and scout masters for years until they were all very suddenly cast out as pariahs?Formless12 said:
I think any private organization should have the right to be faith-based if it chooses to be.GrizzlerBorno said:
I'll agree that it can (not that it will), but only for a teen.Thyunda said:
I will not agree however that GTA shows an appropriate example of a lower-class style of life though. It does show that someone who isn't well off may turn to crime, but not a realistic crime. People in GTA are not on a street corner selling drugs or prostituting themselves so they can feed their child or drug addiction (generalizations, I know, but they are far more appropriate than what GTA delivers). In GTA the main character gets rich off of their crimes. They steal cars and sell drugs on massive scale and kill hundreds if not thousands of police officers without any real consequence. They become moguls and millionaires. That is not a realistic view of the world in any sense.
I don't think, at the age of 10 or so, there is much to learning anything from a video game. If you're ten and your parent is racist, you'll probably be racist no matter what tells you otherwise, because your parent is always right. When I was talking about, for instance, Lost Odyssey's death scenes, it opens discussions not teaches anything. It shows a child that death can happen (even to a parent) but it's not going to magically insert some knowledge about what death is and what it can mean. It opens an avenue of discussion.
And while GTA can open discussion in the same way, it doesn't just show death or drugs or sex, it has them as integral parts of gameplay. It let's a child experience things that they won't be able to handle outside of just understanding what something is (once again, each child is different).
Even with discussion, I don't think there are any positives for letting a child (under the age of 14) play a GTA game. As I've said several times, they are purely adult games.
Schlafly's an old school Republican hardliner, of the sort that desperately tried to bring down the Clinton (and now Obama) administration, because Everyone Who Takes Power From Us Must Pay. I'd love to hear her arguments on abortion and gay marriage and the Middle East.Greg Tito said:Banning Violent Games Tops Conservative's To Do List
Conservative columnist and anti-feminist writer Phyllis Schlafly has a few zingers for New Year's Resolutions including instituting a ban on violent videogames.
I'm sure that many of you have resolved to be a better person in 2011, whether through a formalized list of Resolutions or merely choosing to eat a salad over that burger that's calling your name to offset the excess of the Holidays. *cough* *raises hand* But some people have more lofty goals than weight loss for 2011. Phyllis Schlafly, author of Feminist Fantasies [http://www.amazon.com/Feminist-Fantasies-Phyllis-Schlafly/dp/1890626465] arguing against the Feminist movement, decided to write a post on Townhall.com that outlines her resolutions for what the newly-elected Republican state senators in the US should make a priority in 2011. To be honest, most of Schlafly's resolutions are pretty boring governance issues like election fraud and taxes, but then you get about mid-way through the page and see this gem:
Videogames: "There shall be no sale, rental or arcade-playing of extremely violent videogames by children without parental consent." Explanation: Videogames are increasingly graphic and harmful.
There are a number of things wrong with this statement, which takes some things for granted while simultaneously presenting a very outdated impression of the videogame industry. First off, who plays games in an arcade anymore? It's like Schlafly is stuck in the 1993 Mortal Kombat controversy. The actual content of the resolution is something that I generally agree with - there are a bunch of games that I wouldn't want my child to play - but I don't think that legislating it is a good idea as it will lead to abuse.
The tone of Schlafly's "explanation" is the real problem here, though. It disturbs me that an intelligent person such as Schlafly clearly takes the fact that videogames are inherently harmful as a matter of fact. Well, we do not hold these truths to be self-evident. There is no actual evidence that videogames are harmful in any way or that they encourage negative or violent behavior. The recent Supreme Court arguments prove that not even the State of California could come up with compelling evidence that significantly swayed the opinions of the highest court in the land.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised. Reading the rest of Schlafly's resolutions leaves me equally stupefied. You think it's that important that Good Friday become a State Holiday? Or that it's worth writing a law against companies who "discriminate against the Boy Scouts"? Really?
Source: Townhall.com [http://townhall.com/columnists/PhyllisSchlafly/2011/01/04/new_years_resolutions_for_state_legislators/page/full/]
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Zenode, conservatives like her are anti-feminist, anti-atheist, anti-everyone who is different from them or has a different world view. She's about on the opposite end of the conservative spectrum as, say, John Stossel. And yes, you can bet your ass she hates women who don't marry young, raise a bunch of kiddies and take them to Sunday School, and learn how to cook and be a submissive wife.Zenode said:
Fair enough. I think it's a little unfair that some kids won't be able to have the fun that you and i had scouting, but what you say is true.Scout Tactical said:
In complete honesty, there aren't any real negatives, either. There's the old violence-in-children argument, and I do agree there should at least be warnings and restriction to children, but that's purely because I don't believe children can be raised by anyone but the parent. In my house, my thirteen year old brother will sit and play Grand Theft Auto IV, but he's not allowed to do so around his friends, unless we know for certain the friends play the same games at home. I won't lend any of my 'mature' games to anyone underage without parental consent, either.lovest harding said:
Except for my cousin. He's nine. I lent him Red Dead Redemption. I know for certain my aunt doesn't care, and I know the game can't possibly mess him up any more than he already is. Note, that doesn't come from parenting. That comes from the fact he's both Scottish and related to me.