DracoSuave said:
Paradoxrifts said:
Silverspetz said:
I didn't say they were irrelevant. I said that it is highly dishonest to call them the "core" of feminism as a whole because it ignores the reality of feminism as a huge and diverse movement with multiple branches, many of whom are much larger.
Diversity in feminism is irrelevant, if only one branch of thought consistently manages to make an effect upon government policy. In much the same fashion as religion I am far less interested in the inner workings of feminism itself then I am with the intersection between government and feminism. In such situations those who identify as sex positive feminists that helped these politicians into power to enact their sex negative agenda are reduced to textbook examples of useful idiots [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot].
This is like saying Islam is a whole is responsible for cleaning up extremists and because they "don't denounce terrorists" the religion as a whole is a terrorist religion.
It is and eventually I believe they will. But it is people like you who do a grave disservice to Muslim reformers by condemning any and all criticism of Muslims and Islam as hate speech or
'Islamaphobia'. The lynching of Farkhunda Malikzada [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Farkhunda] in 2015, the attempted assassination of Malala Yousafzai [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai#Assassination_attempt] in 2012, the assassination of Salmaan Taseer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmaan_Taseer] in Pakistan in 2011 are off the top of my head just some of the more newsworthy examples of individual moderate Muslims paying in blood for daring to drag their cultures and the shared religion that informs them into the 21st century.
DracoSuave said:
This is like saying Christians as a while are responsible for cleaning up the Westboro Baptist Church and because "they don't denounce the WBC" they must all be responsible for their vile poison.
And neither is it the fault of ordinary Catholics that their particular brand of Christianity will be associated with pedophilia for the rest of living memory across the Western World. Shit happens, right? You seem to be operating on the quaint notion that life ought to be fair, wherein I'm dealing with life how I perceive it to actually be. Besides, the Westboro Baptist Church is an irrelevant example. Unless you can prove that they have managed to succeed in altering governmental law or policy to better suit their ideological agenda. The WBC lack any meaningful power or political clout outside of their ability to defy the boundaries of good taste to protest at events and places they really shouldn't. That isn't power. It is the desperation of utter irrelevance.
DracoSuave said:
This is like saying that you, as a gamer, are responsible for all gamers who give rape threats and doxxing of women like Felicia Day for speaking out publicly about being harassed.
I've already addressed that life is unfair and that anyone who tells you differently is selling something. Everyone who played video games were vilified for the actions of a few individuals during Gamergate.
DracoSuave said:
Because those groups DO have many members who call out extremists on their opinions. Just as radical feminists ARE called out by their moderate peers.Your inability to find these criticisms does you no credit to being a credible hat in this discussion. Like this is something that was settled decades ago. Like your not even presenting the philosophy from this century dude.
I don't believe what people say, I believe what people do. I wouldn't write off the philosophies from last century until they stop informing the creation of government law and policy, neither should you.
DracoSuave said:
Justin Trudeau is the Prime Minister of Canada with a 50% female cabinet "because it's 2015."
I wouldn't pass judgement on the Trudeau administration until I see what sort of policies and law they enact, and neither should you. I would be lying if I said I wasn't more optimistic about Canada then I was about Europe, but I'd also be lying if I said that I thought Canada was as relevant as Europe to the rest of the Western World.
I'm sorry. It just isn't.
DracoSuave said:
Moreover the type of feminism that is entering politics and gaining influence is third wave feminism. Emma Watson does work for the UN. The radicals aren't the ones getting traction and getting change done.
I'm certain that Emma Watson will do for feminism what Bono did for Africa. Her heart is probably in the right place though.
DracoSuave said:
But who needs facts when you have bluster and rhetoric. Are you certain you are not a Useful Idiot for some agenda?
Everyone has the potential to be useful and idiotic to someone.