I wouldn't be surprised if this was nothing but a versus film, predicated on the notion that Batman feels he has to kill Superman because reasons.
It's not asthma. It's established early in the film that earth's atmosphere - from it's chemical composition to it's gravity - is what gives kryptonians their powers. While the atmosphere on Krypton nullifies them. Conversely, kryptonian atmosphere is deadly to humans, which is why Lois had to wear the helmet on the ship.Paradoxrifts said:The Superman portrayed in Man Of Steel seems to suffer from some form of super-strength negating asthma. He loses all of his superpowers when he is exposed to the atmosphere of General Zod's ship, but regains them when the AI of his father fiddles with the ship's life support functions. It stands to reason that this version of Superman might prove vulnerable to attacks that alter his surrounding environment, such as chemical, biological or nuclear weapons of mass destruction.Red X said:That sounds feasible but i doubt it, the fact Superman can stand up to a beam that can terraform an entire plant with what probably is technically concentrated gravity it pretty much they need a really big excuse to convince how any other weapon can hurt him, let alone slow him down (short of red sun light and green rock)
There is every possibility that although the initial nuclear strike might not kill the Man Of Steel, the resulting fallout might leave him choking to death on his knees amidst the radioactive ashes.
There are several important facts that you might want to reconsider.spoonybard.hahs said:It's not asthma. It's established early in the film that earth's atmosphere - from it's chemical composition to it's gravity - is what gives kryptonians their powers. While the atmosphere on Krypton nullifies them. Conversely, kryptonian atmosphere is deadly to humans, which is why Lois had to wear the helmet on the ship.Paradoxrifts said:The Superman portrayed in Man Of Steel seems to suffer from some form of super-strength negating asthma. He loses all of his superpowers when he is exposed to the atmosphere of General Zod's ship, but regains them when the AI of his father fiddles with the ship's life support functions. It stands to reason that this version of Superman might prove vulnerable to attacks that alter his surrounding environment, such as chemical, biological or nuclear weapons of mass destruction.Red X said:That sounds feasible but i doubt it, the fact Superman can stand up to a beam that can terraform an entire plant with what probably is technically concentrated gravity it pretty much they need a really big excuse to convince how any other weapon can hurt him, let alone slow him down (short of red sun light and green rock)
There is every possibility that although the initial nuclear strike might not kill the Man Of Steel, the resulting fallout might leave him choking to death on his knees amidst the radioactive ashes.
But nothing else? It would stand to reason that if she can't breath in the air, skin contact would have a negative effect as well. There's also the fact that Krypton's gravity is heavier than earth's... So why doesn't she react to that when she gets on the ship after it's pressurized?
Major plot hole. The kryptonians use spaceships for interstellar travel and surveying that are pressurized with their atmosphere. Why? So they could all die from an explosion in a fire fight? Or a crash (like the MacGuffin ship buried in the arctic)? And if Zod is such a great military genius, why didn't he dispatch all of his troops to the ground so they could get acclimated to the atmosphere so ALL of them could team up on Superman!? Therefore, why bother terraforming the planet at all? If you're all basically gods on earth, I think that would be preferable to being a bunch of limp-wristed pansies. You can say all you want that Zod wants Krypton back, but he wanted HIS Krypton - the one that was a mighty empire that didn't bend to weak-willed aristocrats. Oh, the babies might die in an earth atmosphere? They would have to be birthed on the MacGuffin ship any way.
Sorry, I'll turn off my rant now.
It had been 30 years since Clark had breathed the air of Krypton. Between that and his powers being sapped away, it's no surprise that Clark had the reaction that he did. Jor El establishes within the first ten minutes that earth's atmosphere gives Kryptonians their powers while Krypton's blocks them. This is why Zod and Faora had pretty much the same reaction to earth's atmosphere when they were exposed to it. As Clark became sick from his powers being drained, Faora and Zod experienced pain from their latent powers activating.Paradoxrifts said:There are several important facts that you might want to reconsider.spoonybard.hahs said:It's not asthma. It's established early in the film that earth's atmosphere - from it's chemical composition to it's gravity - is what gives kryptonians their powers. While the atmosphere on Krypton nullifies them. Conversely, kryptonian atmosphere is deadly to humans, which is why Lois had to wear the helmet on the ship.Paradoxrifts said:The Superman portrayed in Man Of Steel seems to suffer from some form of super-strength negating asthma. He loses all of his superpowers when he is exposed to the atmosphere of General Zod's ship, but regains them when the AI of his father fiddles with the ship's life support functions. It stands to reason that this version of Superman might prove vulnerable to attacks that alter his surrounding environment, such as chemical, biological or nuclear weapons of mass destruction.Red X said:That sounds feasible but i doubt it, the fact Superman can stand up to a beam that can terraform an entire plant with what probably is technically concentrated gravity it pretty much they need a really big excuse to convince how any other weapon can hurt him, let alone slow him down (short of red sun light and green rock)
There is every possibility that although the initial nuclear strike might not kill the Man Of Steel, the resulting fallout might leave him choking to death on his knees amidst the radioactive ashes.
But nothing else? It would stand to reason that if she can't breath in the air, skin contact would have a negative effect as well. There's also the fact that Krypton's gravity is heavier than earth's... So why doesn't she react to that when she gets on the ship after it's pressurized?
Major plot hole. The kryptonians use spaceships for interstellar travel and surveying that are pressurized with their atmosphere. Why? So they could all die from an explosion in a fire fight? Or a crash (like the MacGuffin ship buried in the arctic)? And if Zod is such a great military genius, why didn't he dispatch all of his troops to the ground so they could get acclimated to the atmosphere so ALL of them could team up on Superman!? Therefore, why bother terraforming the planet at all? If you're all basically gods on earth, I think that would be preferable to being a bunch of limp-wristed pansies. You can say all you want that Zod wants Krypton back, but he wanted HIS Krypton - the one that was a mighty empire that didn't bend to weak-willed aristocrats. Oh, the babies might die in an earth atmosphere? They would have to be birthed on the MacGuffin ship any way.
Sorry, I'll turn off my rant now.
1) The atmosphere of General Zod's prison ship disables the superpowers of Kryptonians who have been raised offworld on foreign alien planets like Earth. Only Clark seems to be adversely affected. It is entirely possible that this is because he was naturally conceived, but it also might be because he is descendant of the house of El and of the scientific caste, while his captors are presumably representatives of various houses of the soldier caste. The soldier caste therefore might not be soldiers at all. They might turn out to be jailors.
2) The ancient Kryptonian colony ship that Superman unearths from underneath the Canadian ice was fully-operational when Superman arrived on the scene. The atmosphere of that ship never gave Clark any troubles at all, even before he downloaded his father's ghost AI into the ship's computer. As the ship itself is undamaged and quite capable of travel, then internal strife was likely the cause of the death of the original crew of Kryptonian astronauts.
3) General Zod traveled amongst the abandoned colonies of Krypton's ancient stellar civilisation. There he found nothing but death and destruction. He also found the world engine, which the movie eventually reveals to be a siege engine designed and built on a planetary scale. It succeeds in fending off Superman. It literally kicks his ass. Until he discovers a fatal flaw in the design and punches through it's chassis as if it were wet tissue paper. But that isn't a design flaw if the original creators had intended for the World Engine to be fielded alongside and as part of a planetary invasion force. It's quite clear to me that the World Engine was designed to pacify and then destroy Krypton's own wayward colonies as part of an ancient civil war. It is not simply a terraforming device. It is a weapon of mass destruction. It was created by a technologically-superior home world to murder entire worlds of super-powered colonists if they dared to raise a rebel flag, or otherwise stop the flow of raw materials to a resource hungry Krypton.
There you go. Happy?
If Paul Dini were writing this movie I'd already be camped out for a ticket.Kenbo Slice said:I seriously think Warner Bros/DC should get the writers of of the DC animated universe to write their live action movies.
None of the other heroes exist in The Dark Knight trilogy's universe.CriticKitten said:The Dark Knight trilogy, for example, seems to operate under the belief that no one except Batman ever got the bright idea to put on tights and fight crime. When his city is under attack from multiple terrorists threatening a large-scale population (including a guy with a bloody nuke), none of the other heroes are even discussed, much less around to help out.
It's all about control. Who has it, and who doesn't.spoonybard.hahs said:Given that all of the Kryptonians are invincible while exposed to earth's atmosphere, needing a weapon of mass destruction is pointless. Especially after witnessing the fight in Smallville and final battle between Superman and Zod. The World Engine's history is irrelevant to the plot. As is Zod's inexplicable need to terraform the planet when earth makes gives him more powerful than the Engine itself (as evinced by Clark destroying the thing). This brings up just how flawed the logic is of having ships that can simulate a restrictive atmosphere is. If fighting a physically superior force, soldiers would be outclassed pretty quickly. And a shot to the ship causing it to fireball would kill all the Kryptonians on board.
Right, so that's a problem with Man of Steel if they're now intending to build a Justice League-oriented universe from that film. It's not an issue with TDK, because they weren't.CriticKitten said:Yes, that's....kind of my point. >_>Woodsey said:None of the other heroes exist in The Dark Knight trilogy's universe.
Each of the movies DC has created are built with the assumption that none of its other heroes exist in that same world. DC isn't used to world-building like Marvel's been doing. Which means they're going to run into problems as they try to introduce new ones.
Man of Steel already has this problem in fact: Zod's threatening to basically destroy the entire planet, and Supes is the only guy around to stop him. Not so much as a half-hearted reference to other heroes, the most we get towards creating an overarching world is a satellite with Wayne Enterprises on the side.
CriticKitten said:I said that TDK trilogy, along with every other DC movie, was written in such a way that it's impossible to believe that other superheroes wouldn't at least try to do something.
"It's weird other superheroes don't try and do something."I'm not criticizing Dark Knight Rises because Superman didn't fly into Gotham after Batman went missing and a major terrorist threatened his town with a nuke.
Are you sure? Because at the start of that paragraph you very much were saying that the way the script is written makes it impossible to ignore that other superheroes should exist in that universe."I'm simply pointing out that, the way the script is written, it simply doesn't lend itself to other superheroes existing in the same universe.