Batman Discussion
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I've not read it, though I never hear a bad word said of The Killing Joke. It's on my to read list but it's hard to find.Diga1994 said:
OT: Batman's "Normality" was actually removed during the recent Final Crisis. A collection of Bruce Wayne clones were being mentally fed his memories to create an army of supersoldiers with indominable drive, unparelelled (sp?) combat prowess and generally everything you'd expect form an army of The Batman. The clones were unable to cope with the trauma and tried to kill themselves in their tanks. This was blamed on batman being unique. Whether destiny or a genuine superpower, Batman's mundanity went to hell at that moment. The gates of hell then closed in on him when we was transported back to the beginning of time.
The lesson: Back da fuck up and stay away from Final Crisis.
Batmans villians are the best!
The most interesting villan has to be Two-face/Harvey Dent
also THE CACULATOR! (king tut!)
The most interesting villan has to be Two-face/Harvey Dent
also THE CACULATOR! (king tut!)
I think that the reason Batman is so popular isn't because of the man himself, it's the Villains. Batman is a bit of a dull one-trick horse really, cold, calculating, loads of muscles, Olympic level speed and strength, the worlds best gadgets. Boooooring.
But Batman's Rogue Gallery is one of the most diverse and incredibly sadistic lot to ever face the DC universe.
Another source of enjoyment for me is the fact that Batman could be seen just as in the wrong as the villains usually, he violently assaults people all the time, and is a staunch believer in vigilantism. The Joker's right in this case, Batman is just as insane as any of 'em. He believes himself the only one who can protect Gotham, that's a delusion of grandeur right there, he's obsessive to the extreme, and is clearly extremely traumatized over the death of his parents.
They should have kept Batman an Elseworlds hero or something, the brightness and more child friendly nature of the rest of the verse sometimes can make Batman and his villains seem out of place.
But Batman's Rogue Gallery is one of the most diverse and incredibly sadistic lot to ever face the DC universe.
Another source of enjoyment for me is the fact that Batman could be seen just as in the wrong as the villains usually, he violently assaults people all the time, and is a staunch believer in vigilantism. The Joker's right in this case, Batman is just as insane as any of 'em. He believes himself the only one who can protect Gotham, that's a delusion of grandeur right there, he's obsessive to the extreme, and is clearly extremely traumatized over the death of his parents.
They should have kept Batman an Elseworlds hero or something, the brightness and more child friendly nature of the rest of the verse sometimes can make Batman and his villains seem out of place.
My first real exposure to Batman was The Batman [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheBatman], a short-running series that was actually better than you'd think. One of the things I loved about it was how absolutely tragic they made Clayface. You see, they couldn't use Two-Face because he was slated to be in The Dark Knight, so they decided to use Clayface as the friend-turned-villain instead. In my opinion, and take this with a grain of salt, as this was my first exposure to Batman, Clayface here was handled even better than Two-Face is usually.
Actually, you just brought up one of the main problems with the live action series: the writers mixed up two of Batman's major villains: The Riddle and The Joker. Think about it. In the comics, the Joker is the only villain who is truly insane; The Riddler is just a narcissist. In the show, The Joker can't get enough attention, and the Riddler's schemes and "riddles" make no sense. In the comics, The Joker's plans did have a certain sense of humor about them (depending on the writer, this sense of humor ranged from deadly kiddie humor to full-blown sadism), whereas the Riddler's plans revolved around proving the HE was the most intelligent human being on the planet (in fact, the Riddler was known to return what he had stolen if someone managed to work out his riddles in time). I could go on if you like...antiwheat said:
Personally, I think that the Joker could work out Batman's identity if he put his mind to it (and Arkham Asylum hints at this when a radio news show plays a message the Joker sent them "I've rigged bombs all over Gotham... what shall it be? A kindergarten? A hospital? A BILLIONAIRE'S MANSION? Hmmm... Choices choices."), but I don't think the Joker really cares who Batman really is. And here's the real reason why the Joker is Batman's worst enemy: The Joker is as brilliant at what he does as Batman is at what he does. They aren't polar opposites, but as the Joker tried to prove once (and damn near succeeded), all that separates normal people from lunatics like himself is one really ROTTEN day.HT_Black said: