Batman v Superman - Dawn of Justice - Cultivating Apathy

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Its weird how dc movies are the dark ones and Marvel are the more light hearted. Since dc is the weirder comic universe which would really benefit from a lighter tone. But Marvel tends to have more complex characters who have to deal with the weirdness of growing up or alcohol dependence or abuse or being discriminated against. Marvel could go much darker and still be good, but the well known DC heroes are essentially Greek gods. Being dark doesn't help that.

In these pages, someone once wrote that characters need to be who they are. Batman can be dark and that is OK. Superman should not be! Batman is about angst, Superman hope. Instead, they're trying to be "The Dark Knight" and should not be.

They should all be forced to sit in a room and watch "Captain America: Winter Soldier" on loop with "Clockwork Orange" eye openers until they get it. Let your hero be who he is rather than trying to be some other popular character from another movie. And you can have a sense of real urgency in a fantasy movie while keeping it fun.

The last five Superman movies have not gotten it right. That's a lot of whiffed at softballs.

Even batman should't be that dark. I mean part of his moral compass is not killing people. If you make his badguys to bad then him not killing them just looks sillier and sillier. Plus if batman didn't kill them then the cops sure as hell would.

I did love Winter Solder. Although it was so stupid how they made pretty much every bad thing in the 20th century be part of hydras master plan. That was lame.

So what Batman and Superman should not kill in the inevitable fight against Darkside and his huge Army of soldiers?

Because the Avengers did kill in the fight against the Aliens.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Saw the midnight showing last night. Pretty terrible. As bad as moviebob said? Nah. He exaggerates. But its REALLY fucking bad! Like its not lube-less anal rape painful. But its certainly lube-less anal sex painful.

Has anything ever been as bad as Bob says it was? I tend to like and dislike the same movies as him but apart from fantfourstic I don't think I've ever gotten as worked up over a movie, I don't think I've ever gotten that worked up over actual crimes.

Green Lantern; I think he was right on the money with Green Lantern.

I'm honestly amazed at how much of a drumming this movie is getting. Like I wasn't expecting much out of it personally but I'm supposed to be one of those never pleased types about this sort of shit. I expected it to at least resonate and do okay with general audiences and less invested critics but all I'm hearing is either 'Second Coming of Christ' or 'Satan is assaulting Heaven's Gate'

So what Batman and Superman should not kill in the inevitable fight against Darkside and his huge Army of soldiers?

Because the Avengers did kill in the fight against the Aliens.

The (three primary) Avengers are in order: an American soldier who saw battle in the fields of Europe in World War II, a high functioning alcoholic narcissist and king of the MIC (who suffered PTSD from nearly dying) and one of the most famously violent members of a Pantheon famous for reveling in bloodshed. They wouldn't be adverse to killing mainly on strength of their backgrounds alone. Superman and Batman have entirely different experiences and circumstances to shape them as people and heroes.

 

[Worgen]

Its weird how dc movies are the dark ones and Marvel are the more light hearted. Since dc is the weirder comic universe which would really benefit from a lighter tone. But Marvel tends to have more complex characters who have to deal with the weirdness of growing up or alcohol dependence or abuse or being discriminated against. Marvel could go much darker and still be good, but the well known DC heroes are essentially Greek gods. Being dark doesn't help that.

In these pages, someone once wrote that characters need to be who they are. Batman can be dark and that is OK. Superman should not be! Batman is about angst, Superman hope. Instead, they're trying to be "The Dark Knight" and should not be.

They should all be forced to sit in a room and watch "Captain America: Winter Soldier" on loop with "Clockwork Orange" eye openers until they get it. Let your hero be who he is rather than trying to be some other popular character from another movie. And you can have a sense of real urgency in a fantasy movie while keeping it fun.

The last five Superman movies have not gotten it right. That's a lot of whiffed at softballs.

Even batman should't be that dark. I mean part of his moral compass is not killing people. If you make his badguys to bad then him not killing them just looks sillier and sillier. Plus if batman didn't kill them then the cops sure as hell would.

I did love Winter Solder. Although it was so stupid how they made pretty much every bad thing in the 20th century be part of hydras master plan. That was lame.

So what Batman and Superman should not kill in the inevitable fight against Darkside and his huge Army of soldiers?

Because the Avengers did kill in the fight against the Aliens.

Because the Avengers don't have the same morality when it comes to killing your enemies. They tend to face enemies that are powerful enough to get out of the situation alive. Batman tends to beat up thugs, Superman is Superman. Both of them are pretty much the most unbeatable super heroes around, despite them getting beaten occasionally. For Superman killing would make his fights so much easier and shorter since he could just laser eyes anyone and boom dead, and Batman can pretty much beat anyone too.


The SvB movie universe has already established that both Batman and Superman can rake up the bodycount and it even sounds like Batman is now doing it on purpose. So of course they will be killing in the fight. It still doesn't make them anymore of what Superman or Batman is supposed to be.

 

[tzimize]

I thought it was good: I liked the dark theme and attempt at seriousness...However it is deeply flawed. I thought Affleck nailed it. However every building in Gotham and Maetropolis seemed to be constructed of toilet paper and some form of solidified petrol...I'm looking forward to the directors cut.

I'm not gonna say I am looking forward to the Directors Cut....but I am going to say I have a slight hope that the DC will make it into at least a tolerable movie, as was mostly the case with the first Daredevil movie imo. The Directors cut was much, much better.

Yes. Affleck was good.

The dark theme is decent, and it has worked for Batman. But batman is a dark character, superman is really not. And if you have one dark guy...another one is just gonna be the fifth wheel. You cant bounce off each other when you're the same. Even Wonder woman was bland gray. Is Znyder incapable of seeing
color?

What little we saw of wonder woman was cool, but she was, as most "characters" in this movie...a cardboard cutout at best. There was nothing at all to differentiate her from Superman. She could take a superpunch and had a sword+shield. The "trinity" moment was lame, the only enjoyable moment in the entire movie was when they were all 3 attacking Doomsday. A bit cool.

Znyder is a travesty. He should be fired and not let close to any superhero movie again.

Honestly, if he had cut the amount of slow motion "check this out people" scenes by half, we might have had time for some actual story.

Also, Lex was a disgrace. Capably acted, but all over the place and never what he should be.

The only positive thing I have to say about BvS is that, when looking back, its gonna make Man of Steel be a better movie by comparison.

I think we should shift the blame to Warner Bros. movie company because they seem to be incapable of making anything other then Batman Dark Knight because Dark Knight won a billion dollars and they want that same success again so they think repeating that formula of Dark Knight would succeed.

I mean look at Green Lantern, and Zack had nothing to do with that movie.

Well yeah....but I'm one of those that didnt think the GL movie was THAT bad. It was just not that good. And it suffered from clocking in behind Iron Man, which raised the bar something fierce and showed people how good superhero movies could be.

I totally agree that WB should have a truckload of the blame. You can positively see the threads in their movies "we need to do the Marvel thing and sneak in previews and do some worldbuilding". And they JUST DONT GET IT.

WB is devoid of direction and fantasy...but really Znyder is awful. There is WAY too much slo-mo BS in his movies. Drawn out scenes that do NOTHING. He can do some decent visual stuff, but he is no storyteller and at least needs a co-director or something.

Honestly, I'm so tired of his grey and dark BS. Give me some color for gods sake. It feels like Call of Duty movie format.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I thought it was good: I liked the dark theme and attempt at seriousness...However it is deeply flawed. I thought Affleck nailed it. However every building in Gotham and Maetropolis seemed to be constructed of toilet paper and some form of solidified petrol...I'm looking forward to the directors cut.

I'm not gonna say I am looking forward to the Directors Cut....but I am going to say I have a slight hope that the DC will make it into at least a tolerable movie, as was mostly the case with the first Daredevil movie imo. The Directors cut was much, much better.

Yes. Affleck was good.

The dark theme is decent, and it has worked for Batman. But batman is a dark character, superman is really not. And if you have one dark guy...another one is just gonna be the fifth wheel. You cant bounce off each other when you're the same. Even Wonder woman was bland gray. Is Znyder incapable of seeing
color?

What little we saw of wonder woman was cool, but she was, as most "characters" in this movie...a cardboard cutout at best. There was nothing at all to differentiate her from Superman. She could take a superpunch and had a sword+shield. The "trinity" moment was lame, the only enjoyable moment in the entire movie was when they were all 3 attacking Doomsday. A bit cool.

Znyder is a travesty. He should be fired and not let close to any superhero movie again.

Honestly, if he had cut the amount of slow motion "check this out people" scenes by half, we might have had time for some actual story.

Also, Lex was a disgrace. Capably acted, but all over the place and never what he should be.

The only positive thing I have to say about BvS is that, when looking back, its gonna make Man of Steel be a better movie by comparison.

I think we should shift the blame to Warner Bros. movie company because they seem to be incapable of making anything other then Batman Dark Knight because Dark Knight won a billion dollars and they want that same success again so they think repeating that formula of Dark Knight would succeed.

I mean look at Green Lantern, and Zack had nothing to do with that movie.

Well yeah....but I'm one of those that didnt think the GL movie was THAT bad. It was just not that good. And it suffered from clocking in behind Iron Man, which raised the bar something fierce and showed people how good superhero movies could be.

I totally agree that WB should have a truckload of the blame. You can positively see the threads in their movies "we need to do the Marvel thing and sneak in previews and do some worldbuilding". And they JUST DONT GET IT.

WB is devoid of direction and fantasy...but really Znyder is awful. There is WAY too much slo-mo BS in his movies. Drawn out scenes that do NOTHING. He can do some decent visual stuff, but he is no storyteller and at least needs a co-director or something.

Honestly, I'm so tired of his grey and dark BS. Give me some color for gods sake. It feels like Call of Duty movie format.

Sorry I love his style of action, they are memorable and brutal and feel raw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLfTv42T8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdNn5TZu6R8

And why are you complaining about color palette? What can color add in this movie that is already tonely dark and gritty?

 

[The Harkinator]

Just saw it a couple of hours ago and I wasn't particularly impressed. Spent most of the film thinking about all the comics I've read and cartoons I've watched that are vastly superior to BvsS. Not very long into the film all I wanted to do was go home and read my Batman and Superman comics that are so much better than this, then maybe watch some clips from the DC Animated universe to remind me these characters are so much better than what's happening in the film. Apparently lots of my fellow cinema goers had the same idea but less patience than me because I've honestly never seen so many people leave the cinema in the middle of a film. I'm not talking about a mass walkouts, but at least 20 people had left by about an hour and a half in.

I was disappointed when I heard they were taking cues from Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" since, despite its popularity and significance, it's a poor portrayal of Batman. Miller constantly strained against the rigid moral code of the character, trying instead to turn Batman into one of his dark and ultra-violent anti-heroes. I like TDKR's early bits and consider it a good portrayal of where Batman and his associated characters would end up in a few decades time, but as it goes on Batman does more and more stuff he'd never do (kill people, use guns, etc) until it's not really Batman, but one of Miller's protagonists in a Batsuit.

Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor was terrible, annoying from the get go and never threatening or compelling as a good villain should be. His reinvention as Zuckerberg may have been more modern and relevant when some spiv in a suit thought it up but things have moved on since then and it just looks dated already. Every time "Lex" showed up I was waiting for the proper Luthor to turn up, deck Eisenberg, and then pretend he'd been there all along. There was no depth to his hatred of Superman, despite proper Lex having some genuinely interesting reasons. But with no time to focus on anything we wouldn't know if there was a good reason or not.

Affleck did a good job, even if the film gets Batman wrong by using DKR Batman. He's going to be the Ewan McGregor of this film if you know what I mean. He's in good shape, I like his Bruce Wayne, he does well in the suit. He's got crap to work with but credit to him for doing as well as he did, even if I don't think having an older Batman is a good idea if you're planning a series of Justice League movies.

I like Cavill as Superman, but he's given nothing to do but punch, be punched, and look mopey which is not what Superman is. I think he looks the part and would be great in a better Superman movie but the utterly shallow Superman he's portraying means he's two for two in disappointing DC films. The less said about Amy Adams' Lois Lane the better, she's got little chemistry with Cavill and they can't think of anything to do with her. A better written film might have the confidence to lessen her role and have her only appear when actually needed, but instead she just hangs around major scenes like a liability and nobody knows what to do with her.

So the film doesn't really work, the characters don't really work, and they were reading off the wrong hymn sheet in the first place. There's little to get invested in and for a film so cluttered with other stuff it takes a very long time to get anywhere relevant. The characters all interact with each other like strangers, there's no warmth or heart to anything, and I never got invested in the movie. It was something that happened to be going on in front of me, and I spent my time thinking about ways each part could have been done better.

But obviously I'll be going along to watch whatever DC puts out next in the faint hope that it's actually good. So I guess I'm an idiot.

 

[IOwnTheSpire]

all I'm hearing is either 'Second Coming of Christ' or 'Satan is assaulting Heaven's Gate'

I've been hearing both of that a lot over the past few days. I can't take any remark that says it's the greatest thing ever or a huge pile of shit seriously, because these types of reactions tend to be kneejerk reactions.

 

[tzimize]

I thought it was good: I liked the dark theme and attempt at seriousness...However it is deeply flawed. I thought Affleck nailed it. However every building in Gotham and Maetropolis seemed to be constructed of toilet paper and some form of solidified petrol...I'm looking forward to the directors cut.

I'm not gonna say I am looking forward to the Directors Cut....but I am going to say I have a slight hope that the DC will make it into at least a tolerable movie, as was mostly the case with the first Daredevil movie imo. The Directors cut was much, much better.

Yes. Affleck was good.

The dark theme is decent, and it has worked for Batman. But batman is a dark character, superman is really not. And if you have one dark guy...another one is just gonna be the fifth wheel. You cant bounce off each other when you're the same. Even Wonder woman was bland gray. Is Znyder incapable of seeing
color?

What little we saw of wonder woman was cool, but she was, as most "characters" in this movie...a cardboard cutout at best. There was nothing at all to differentiate her from Superman. She could take a superpunch and had a sword+shield. The "trinity" moment was lame, the only enjoyable moment in the entire movie was when they were all 3 attacking Doomsday. A bit cool.

Znyder is a travesty. He should be fired and not let close to any superhero movie again.

Honestly, if he had cut the amount of slow motion "check this out people" scenes by half, we might have had time for some actual story.

Also, Lex was a disgrace. Capably acted, but all over the place and never what he should be.

The only positive thing I have to say about BvS is that, when looking back, its gonna make Man of Steel be a better movie by comparison.

I think we should shift the blame to Warner Bros. movie company because they seem to be incapable of making anything other then Batman Dark Knight because Dark Knight won a billion dollars and they want that same success again so they think repeating that formula of Dark Knight would succeed.

I mean look at Green Lantern, and Zack had nothing to do with that movie.

Well yeah....but I'm one of those that didnt think the GL movie was THAT bad. It was just not that good. And it suffered from clocking in behind Iron Man, which raised the bar something fierce and showed people how good superhero movies could be.

I totally agree that WB should have a truckload of the blame. You can positively see the threads in their movies "we need to do the Marvel thing and sneak in previews and do some worldbuilding". And they JUST DONT GET IT.

WB is devoid of direction and fantasy...but really Znyder is awful. There is WAY too much slo-mo BS in his movies. Drawn out scenes that do NOTHING. He can do some decent visual stuff, but he is no storyteller and at least needs a co-director or something.

Honestly, I'm so tired of his grey and dark BS. Give me some color for gods sake. It feels like Call of Duty movie format.

Sorry I love his style of action, they are memorable and brutal and feel raw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLfTv42T8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdNn5TZu6R8

And why are you complaining about color palette? What can color add in this movie that is already tonely dark and gritty?

Oh, I cant argue with that. I LOVE watchmen, in its entirety, and I love 300 as well. But a movie should be more than action. Luckily Watchman is a good story to begin with, so it was harder to mess that up. 300 is....well...its barely a story, but it looks cool and I enjoyed watching it.

What could color add? Some personality maybe? I found Wonder Womans suit to be decent, but too dark. Batman is supposed to be dark, so ok. The Supersuit is cool, at least there is color even if its dark tones.

However, Wonder Woman and Superman are the polar opposites of Batman. They are Icons. They are SUPPOSED to be visible. The shadows are not for them. I dont mean that we need the Reeve suit back or anything like that...but EVERYTHING is dark. Its the same with the mood/psyche of the players. If everyone is dark you get numb and the grittyness loses its effect.

This is one of the reasons why The Dark Knight is probably the best Batman movie. The joker. He has color, in every way. He gives Batman something to bounce off of. Both visually and personalitywise. Also, he is FUN.

Nobody bounces off anything in BvS. It all just mushes together to a dark blob
And the weak attempt to make Lex into some sort of joker-esque crazy person...didnt work for me at all. The movie desperately needed some mood, and none was to be found. At least Superman smiled at the end of Man of Steel :|

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

But obviously I'll be going along to watch whatever DC puts out next in the faint hope that it's actually good. So I guess I'm an idiot.

Here is the preview of the Wonder Woman movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Ur4De7yT8

 

[tzimize]

Just saw it a couple of hours ago and I wasn't particularly impressed. Spent most of the film thinking about all the comics I've read and cartoons I've watched that are vastly superior to BvsS. Not very long into the film all I wanted to do was go home and read my Batman and Superman comics that are so much better than this, then maybe watch some clips from the DC Animated universe to remind me these characters are so much better than what's happening in the film. Apparently lots of my fellow cinema goers had the same idea but less patience than me because I've honestly never seen so many people leave the cinema in the middle of a film. I'm not talking about a mass walkouts, but at least 20 people had left by about an hour and a half in.

I was disappointed when I heard they were taking cues from Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns" since, despite its popularity and significance, it's a poor portrayal of Batman. Miller constantly strained against the rigid moral code of the character, trying instead to turn Batman into one of his dark and ultra-violent anti-heroes. I like TDKR's early bits and consider it a good portrayal of where Batman and his associated characters would end up in a few decades time, but as it goes on Batman does more and more stuff he'd never do (kill people, use guns, etc) until it's not really Batman, but one of Miller's protagonists in a Batsuit.

Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor was terrible, annoying from the get go and never threatening or compelling as a good villain should be. His reinvention as Zuckerberg may have been more modern and relevant when some spiv in a suit thought it up but things have moved on since then and it just looks dated already. Every time "Lex" showed up I was waiting for the proper Luthor to turn up, deck Eisenberg, and then pretend he'd been there all along. There was no depth to his hatred of Superman, despite proper Lex having some genuinely interesting reasons. But with no time to focus on anything we wouldn't know if there was a good reason or not.

Affleck did a good job, even if the film gets Batman wrong by using DKR Batman. He's going to be the Ewan McGregor of this film if you know what I mean. He's in good shape, I like his Bruce Wayne, he does well in the suit. He's got crap to work with but credit to him for doing as well as he did, even if I don't think having an older Batman is a good idea if you're planning a series of Justice League movies.

I like Cavill as Superman, but he's given nothing to do but punch, be punched, and look mopey which is not what Superman is. I think he looks the part and would be great in a better Superman movie but the utterly shallow Superman he's portraying means he's two for two in disappointing DC films. The less said about Amy Adams' Lois Lane the better, she's got little chemistry with Cavill and they can't think of anything to do with her. A better written film might have the confidence to lessen her role and have her only appear when actually needed, but instead she just hangs around major scenes like a liability and nobody knows what to do with her.

So the film doesn't really work, the characters don't really work, and they were reading off the wrong hymn sheet in the first place. There's little to get invested in and for a film so cluttered with other stuff it takes a very long time to get anywhere relevant. The characters all interact with each other like strangers, there's no warmth or heart to anything, and I never got invested in the movie. It was something that happened to be going on in front of me, and I spent my time thinking about ways each part could have been done better.

But obviously I'll be going along to watch whatever DC puts out next in the faint hope that it's actually good. So I guess I'm an idiot.

Its like we're twins. This is more or less word for word how I felt.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

I thought it was good: I liked the dark theme and attempt at seriousness...However it is deeply flawed. I thought Affleck nailed it. However every building in Gotham and Maetropolis seemed to be constructed of toilet paper and some form of solidified petrol...I'm looking forward to the directors cut.

I'm not gonna say I am looking forward to the Directors Cut....but I am going to say I have a slight hope that the DC will make it into at least a tolerable movie, as was mostly the case with the first Daredevil movie imo. The Directors cut was much, much better.

Yes. Affleck was good.

The dark theme is decent, and it has worked for Batman. But batman is a dark character, superman is really not. And if you have one dark guy...another one is just gonna be the fifth wheel. You cant bounce off each other when you're the same. Even Wonder woman was bland gray. Is Znyder incapable of seeing
color?

What little we saw of wonder woman was cool, but she was, as most "characters" in this movie...a cardboard cutout at best. There was nothing at all to differentiate her from Superman. She could take a superpunch and had a sword+shield. The "trinity" moment was lame, the only enjoyable moment in the entire movie was when they were all 3 attacking Doomsday. A bit cool.

Znyder is a travesty. He should be fired and not let close to any superhero movie again.

Honestly, if he had cut the amount of slow motion "check this out people" scenes by half, we might have had time for some actual story.

Also, Lex was a disgrace. Capably acted, but all over the place and never what he should be.

The only positive thing I have to say about BvS is that, when looking back, its gonna make Man of Steel be a better movie by comparison.

I think we should shift the blame to Warner Bros. movie company because they seem to be incapable of making anything other then Batman Dark Knight because Dark Knight won a billion dollars and they want that same success again so they think repeating that formula of Dark Knight would succeed.

I mean look at Green Lantern, and Zack had nothing to do with that movie.

Well yeah....but I'm one of those that didnt think the GL movie was THAT bad. It was just not that good. And it suffered from clocking in behind Iron Man, which raised the bar something fierce and showed people how good superhero movies could be.

I totally agree that WB should have a truckload of the blame. You can positively see the threads in their movies "we need to do the Marvel thing and sneak in previews and do some worldbuilding". And they JUST DONT GET IT.

WB is devoid of direction and fantasy...but really Znyder is awful. There is WAY too much slo-mo BS in his movies. Drawn out scenes that do NOTHING. He can do some decent visual stuff, but he is no storyteller and at least needs a co-director or something.

Honestly, I'm so tired of his grey and dark BS. Give me some color for gods sake. It feels like Call of Duty movie format.

Sorry I love his style of action, they are memorable and brutal and feel raw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLfTv42T8A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdNn5TZu6R8

And why are you complaining about color palette? What can color add in this movie that is already tonely dark and gritty?

Oh, I cant argue with that. I LOVE watchmen, in its entirety, and I love 300 as well. But a movie should be more than action. Luckily Watchman is a good story to begin with, so it was harder to mess that up. 300 is....well...its barely a story, but it looks cool and I enjoyed watching it.

What could color add? Some personality maybe? I found Wonder Womans suit to be decent, but too dark. Batman is supposed to be dark, so ok. The Supersuit is cool, at least there is color even if its dark tones.

However, Wonder Woman and Superman are the polar opposites of Batman. They are Icons. They are SUPPOSED to be visible. The shadows are not for them. I dont mean that we need the Reeve suit back or anything like that...but EVERYTHING is dark. Its the same with the mood/psyche of the players. If everyone is dark you get numb and the grittyness loses its effect.

This is one of the reasons why The Dark Knight is probably the best Batman movie. The joker. He has color, in every way. He gives Batman something to bounce off of. Both visually and personalitywise. Also, he is FUN.

Nobody bounces off anything in BvS. It all just mushes together to a dark blob
And the weak attempt to make Lex into some sort of joker-esque crazy person...didnt work for me at all. The movie desperately needed some mood, and none was to be found. At least Superman smiled at the end of Man of Steel :|

I want the look and tone of the DCAU cartoons aswell, but I doubt we will get that at the rate these Live Action Superhero Movies are going.

The reason I prefer this dark and gritty tone is because I don't want the later DC movies to end up copying the Marvel style and tone because honestly there are moments in the Marvel movies that comes off as UNBELIVEABLY CORNY its cringeworthy.

For example the whole of GOTG, perticularly this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ohTJp3PAA

Everyone laughed at that scene in the theater I watched this movie, I just facepalmed at it, I was like "Oh my goodness that was the corniest thing I have ever seen"

And not only that. I can't stand some of the Humor and levity in the Avengers. Iron Man can be groan worthy so much that I wish Captain America and Hulk punches him.

And don't get me started on Ultron.

And now that BvS is struggling and with the announcement of the Lego Batman Movie (And I already know how that movie is going to be like and Lego Movie was also corny like the Batman singing Darkness, No Parents, and the cheesy drama scenes with Will Ferral) I worry that WB will hire the team behind the Lego Batman movie to make their own DC movie.

 

[JimB]

For example the whole of Guardians of the Galaxy, particularly this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Ur4De7yT8

That link does not go to a Guardians of the Galaxy video.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

For example the whole of Guardians of the Galaxy, particularly this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Ur4De7yT8

That link does not go to a Guardians of the Galaxy video.

Fixed it.

Also how do you do that feature of making the video itself appear in the posts?

 

[Kajin]

Atop of all that its really just baffling that they didn't make Superman's suit brighter, just for the sake of symbolism. Very washed out colours and all and his go with the rest of the world but if it was brighter Superman literally would've been a light shining in the darkness. Quite on the nose but given the rest of the extremely heavy handed symbolism in Man of Steel that made even Superman Returns' symbolism look subtle I'm surprised they didn't take it. It also would've addressed one of the major fan complaints.

But then they wouldn't be chasing after the Batman Dark and Gritty Gravy Train. Nope, can't have that.

 

[wizzy555]

'Second Coming of Christ' or 'Satan is assaulting Heaven's Gate'

By coincidence those are both themes of the movie.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

So I have returned from a viewing, after all I cannot criticize without seeing it.

In short: I was wrong about Gadot, Ben and Jeremy are a brilliant double act, and the cameos of Cyborg, Flash and Aquaman were surprisingly clever - though Green Lantern is conspicuous in his absence.

The rest of the movie, can go fuck itself.

Spoiler

The Death of Superman? Fucking really? You're going to build the Justice League AFTER the (pointless) death of Superman?

 

[RJ Dalton]

You say an Asylum film does a better job of establishing its characters than this one does? Wow, that's . . . an accomplishment. Not one to be proud of, but it's an accomplishment.

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

Its weird how dc movies are the dark ones and Marvel are the more light hearted. Since dc is the weirder comic universe which would really benefit from a lighter tone. But Marvel tends to have more complex characters who have to deal with the weirdness of growing up or alcohol dependence or abuse or being discriminated against. Marvel could go much darker and still be good, but the well known DC heroes are essentially Greek gods. Being dark doesn't help that.

No I always saw DC as the more serious one.

I mean look at the DCAU, not all the Superman episodes were comedic.

Not to mention the fact that DC has characters like Constantine, who in his own comics, deals with child murders, violence, race wars, sex addiction, alcoholism, and the Devil himself. Marvel doesn't have anyone quite like him.

 

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Its weird how dc movies are the dark ones and Marvel are the more light hearted. Since dc is the weirder comic universe which would really benefit from a lighter tone. But Marvel tends to have more complex characters who have to deal with the weirdness of growing up or alcohol dependence or abuse or being discriminated against. Marvel could go much darker and still be good, but the well known DC heroes are essentially Greek gods. Being dark doesn't help that.

No I always saw DC as the more serious one.

I mean look at the DCAU, not all the Superman episodes were comedic.

Not to mention the fact that DC has characters like Constantine, who in his own comics, deals with child murders, violence, race wars, sex addiction, alcoholism, and the Devil himself. Marvel doesn't have anyone quite like him.

Last but not least let us not forget about DC's Vertigo Comic Imprint.

Where we get comic books that has balls.