Batman v. Superman Producer Thinks You're Hating On Affleck Too Much

[immortalfrieza]

The casting is actually the area I'm least concerned about in this film. I never got the hate for Ben Affleck and it's not as if he was that bad in Daredevil.

Honestly? I can't really think of a better actor to play Batman that hasn't already than Affleck, and it was because of his role as Daredevil. Affleck was already basically playing Batman with that movie and well at that.

I never understood all the hate for Daredevil anyway, or Green Lantern or Transformers or Man of Steel or... you get the idea. People take movies far more seriously and expect far more out of them than they should, and superhero movies in particular it seems.

 

[theNater]

Are people really hating on Affleck? It's been months since I heard anyone say a word about him. I haven't even heard anyone say "Batfleck" in ages.

I try to say "Batfleck" as often as possible. It's a fun word to say!

I'm indifferent to the casting.

 

[theNater]

I never understood all the hate for Daredevil anyway, or Green Lantern or Transformers or Man of Steel or... you get the idea. People take movies far more seriously and expect far more out of them than they should, and superhero movies in particular it seems.

Why shouldn't people expect superhero movies to have good stories? Dark Knight and Avengers proved that it's possible.

Heck, a little noodling around Box Office Mojo suggests it's even a good idea from a financial standpoint. A few relevant lifetime gross values(in millions of dollars):

Avengers: 623
Dark Knight: 535
Iron Man: 318
Man of Steel: 291
Green Lantern: 117
Daredevil: 103

Seriously, we've got Iron Man beating out Superman. How does that even happen?

 

[immortalfrieza]

Why shouldn't people expect superhero movies to have good stories? Dark Knight and Avengers proved that it's possible.

Heck, a little noodling around Box Office Mojo suggests it's even a good idea from a financial standpoint. A few relevant lifetime gross values(in millions of dollars):

Avengers: 623
Dark Knight: 535
Iron Man: 318
Man of Steel: 291
Green Lantern: 117
Daredevil: 103

Seriously, we've got Iron Man beating out Superman. How does that even happen?

All the movies I mentioned? They DO have good stories, that's my point. People just get so bogged down by petty details and what ifs they can't see the forest for the trees. They take the movies too seriously and thus can't enjoy them, period.

 

[Avalanche91]

BVSDOJ has a lot of things I can hate on. Affleck is nowhere near the top of the list.

 

[Verlander]

The film has given the internet far greater things to be hated on for than Affleck.

 

[Norithics]

Waaait a minute.
I know what he's doing!
He's distracting us from all the other things we don't like by bringing up the Affleck thing as if he only just now heard of it!
Well I'm not falling for it; at this point Affleck is the best chance this movie has. :T

 

[elvor0]

Personally think Michael Keaton would've made a better joker than batman, and Jack Nicholson would've been way better as two-face. For proof of Michael Keaton as joker, just re-watch Beetlejuice. I always had a hard time believing it was him in that role. And Jack Nicholson is so good at calm calculating and psycopathic outbursts.

Strangely, I always thought Tommy Lee Jones's Two Face was closer to The Joker than Nicholson's Joker in those films. Re jigger ALL the actors!

Saying that, Nicholson is my favourite Joker behind Mark Hamil's, but I'll agree with you that Keaton could make a really fun Joker. Maybe...it could still happen if they're doing Dark Knight Returns inspired Bats? Pwease?

My favourite live action Batman though?....Val Kiler. Seriously, he's good looking, he's charismatic, he's got the voice down, he's got a good presence as Bats.. It's almost a shame Kilmer wasn't in the Burton movies.

I never understood all the hate for Daredevil anyway, or Green Lantern or Transformers....People take movies far more seriously and expect far more out of them than they should, and superhero movies in particular it seems.

Because they're bad movies. People can and have done waaaay better. The Marvel movies are all good at the very least. Thor 2 was weak, but that's the exception. The Burton Batmans, the first 2 Superman movies, Xmen 1/2 and First Class, Spider Man 1 and 2, Pacific Rim as an aswer to transformers.

And they're not just bad because the story isn't golden. They're poorly scripted, they're full of plot holes, inconsistancies, focus on the wrong thing, bad pacing, awful acting, fantastically bad cinematography and camera work, bad design and aesthetic, poorly executed narrative hammer space, transformers has such messy design and camera work it's near impossible to tell who anyone is or what the fuck is going on in the big action scenes.

There's nothing wrong with having standards, especially when a movie has almost no redeeming qualities and you've just paid money to see it. Comic book movies have SEVENTY years of source material and great stories to draw on, yet people with no love or understanding of the medium get to work on it and not only royally fuck it up, they also just make a bad movie that doesn't stand on its own merits.

I know crap is always going to sell, but it's infuriating to see a good movie get outsold by a movie with no redeeming qualities. People in general should have better standards, and this is why we can't have nice things. Why bother making a good movie when crap like Ninja Turtles or Transformers makes crap tons!

 

[JenSeven]

Going by the fact that every negative opinion was confirmed and even surpassed by the TMNT movie, I'm putting more stock in what the internet critics say.

Didn't they say similar things about Ledger as the Joker?

The thing you also have to remember, Ledger and Keaton were from a time when the industry wasn't solely dominated by accountants and Michael Bay knock-offs.


It now is.
And the fact that this is marketed as Superman vs Batman already proves that this was a designed by committee, approved by accountants movie.
So any negative criticism I read will take preference over what studio PR people say.

And also not forgetting the massive turd that was Superman, and it's plot, is also worked into this, so.... yeah... getting worse.
So yeah, maybe we are hating on Affleck too much, since there seem to be a massive amount of other things about this movie we could hate.

 

[theNater]

All the movies I mentioned? They DO have good stories, that's my point. People just get so bogged down by petty details and what ifs they can't see the forest for the trees. They take the movies too seriously and thus can't enjoy them, period.

Well, now I'm just confused. What quality do you think separates Avengers, Dark Knight, and Iron Man from Man of Steel, Green Lantern, and Daredevil? Whatever that quality is, why is it unreasonable for people to expect it from their movies?

 

[immortalfrieza]

Well, now I'm just confused. What quality do you think separates Avengers, Dark Knight, and Iron Man from Man of Steel, Green Lantern, and Daredevil? Whatever that quality is, why is it unreasonable for people to expect it from their movies?

You just said it, quality. All these movies are good, but how good is the difference. It's unreasonable to expect every last movie to be the BEST MOVIE EVER until the next one, and there are plenty of things that people tend to whine about that are so insignificant as to be unreasonable, and most of the criticisms I hear of these movies are of that type. Then of course there's unrealistic expectations of what the movies are. You wouldn't watch a action movie and expect there to be tons of comedy and romance, you wouldn't go to a comedy expect a lot of seriousness, and so on, and as such there's just some things that you aren't going to get out of a superhero movie and if you expect those things you are going to be disappointed. If it's there that's good, but you shouldn't expect it.

In short, just sit down and watch the damned movie and try not to go out of your way to find things to whine about.

 

[theNater]

You just said it, quality. All these movies are good, but how good is the difference...

Green Lantern got a 26% on Rotten Tomatoes. I know movie quality is subjective, but claiming that something that only a quarter of critics liked is "good" doesn't seem right to me. Have you considered the possibility that your standards are remarkably low, rather than everyone else's being unreasonably high?

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

There are bigger problems than Ben looming for this film...

Well, we'll see how it goes.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

This producer is really behind on criticisms for BvSoJ. I don't think any people care about Affleck being Batman anymore. I didn't care for him being Batman at first, but after watching the many announcements trickle out over time there's far bigger issues with this movie (like grim-dark Superman, skinny Wonder Woman, the kid from Zombieland arching Superman, Batman versing Superman, the many other characters they plan on making appearances). If DoJ is bad, it won't be because of Affleck. He's been the best news for this movie so far.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Fact since knowing that he isnt playing a young in his prime batman, but an older maybe grump and batman, my interest in him as Batman has increased. Am interested in how he will play him, what personality will he have? Will he be a jaded cynic? Will he be annoyed by all the young heroes that are popping out the floor boards? Will he feel insecure due to the super powers of Superman and thus feel the need to test his metal to prove that he isnt useless/worthless now Superman etc are here? Is this going to be a more relatable Batman? I guess time will tell.

Though my ownly down point is how will this old Batman work with JL and solo movies? I thought Batman had a directly/indirectly created his villians gallary. So if he is a myth does that mean Joker will be changed in his 50s? Or will he have younger villians so it will be old man Batman vs a young Joker etc?

 

[ClockworkUniverse]

Ben Affleck is just about the only thing I'm NOT expecting to be bad about this movie.

 

[Nuxxy]

Glad to see other people wished the older Batman films had switched casting. I've always wondered what Jim Carrey would have done with Joker, using Hamill's as a base.

The #1 thing I hope they get right? The capes/outfits. I'm so over bullet-proof Batman. He's meant to dodge like a super-ninja. Superman's cape should always seem to be swaying, like he has the breeze of heroic destiny blowing out his ass. Batman's cape should cling to him like the shadow of his dead parents. And cape black, grey suit.

But just about anyone can do Batman in uniform. My worry with Affleck is Bruce Wayne. If I hear a Boston twang anywhere near him...

 

[immortalfrieza]

Have you considered the possibility that your standards are remarkably low, rather than everyone else's being unreasonably high?

Considering the rather inane nitpicky things they tend to whine about, I've never put much value in critic scores. Also yes, I have considered that possibility, and the conclusion I have come to is definitely that everyone else's standards are unreasonably high, again due to those inane nitpicky things they tend to whine about.