Battle.net StarCraft II Matchmaking Too Good?

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Wow, people actually purposely circumvent the matchmaking system so they'll get matched against clearly less skilled players just so they can "pwn noobs lol"?? That's deeply pathetic. God, sometimes I hate online gaming.
 

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Fearzone said:
One more reason why Blizzard is the best game-making company out there. Only from Blizzard do I believe a statement that a matchmaking system is "too good" and needs a little artificial error introduced to make it more fun.

Regarding smurfing, back in the Dawn of War days, the first one, smurfing was as big a problem there as anywhere else, so I suggested on Relic Forums one account per copy of Dawn of War. My reasoning was that unless you are making smurfs you don't need more than one account, or if there is a really good reason that you do, you can buy a new copy of the game. I expected that suggestion to get a lot of flames, but while most people disagreed, they did chew on the pro's and con's of it. Even the THQ rep chimed in, suggesting it had been considered but they weren't going that route. I doubt the problem was ever fixed.
They tied DoW2 to Steam (and GfWL for some ungodly reason) which limits you to one account per copy, you may have had more influence than you thought.
 

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zamble said:
Wow, having to pay $$$ for another copy in order to have more fun...
I smell a scheme here!!
If by scheme you mean, discourage you from smurfing for free, then yes. Why would you want another account other than to show off how weak-charactered you are in trouncing an inexperienced player?
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chozo_hybrid said:
So my flat mate who wants to play it, but uses my computer will have to use my account?
No system is perfect. I'd be willing to try this, though.
I know, but this is a pretty weak reason to limit accounts. I mean, shit happens, sometimes you lose in a game. Play with friends or do some offline skirmishes to practice.

bjj hero said:
chozo_hybrid said:
So my flat mate who wants to play it, but uses my computer will have to use my account?
...and ruin your stats.
That too.
Or you can tell your flat mate to get his own game(and their own computer I'm guessing), and then bring on the battle with him.

I like this idea, and it gives some comfort knowing that they acknowledge it may work too well. But if someone is getting tired of the constant challenge, and wouldn't mind seeing if someone else might be doing good, there's always friends, online or known-rl.
Little brothers are always good to smurf on. :D
 

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zamble said:
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I disagree with that. I think they shouldn't have that option, either. It's not because you can pay that it justifies spoiling other's fun. Not that I think many people will do it, tough.

These days, with so much discussion about DRM and people having to buy more than one copy of the game just sao they can install it on another PC of their own, it was a stupid declaration.
That is why he used it a manner that implied it was their only option, the way he said it was "they will have to perform action B before they will be able to perform action A." As in action B, buying a new game, is stopping them from performing action A circumventing the match making service.

I honest don't know how you read: "They can perform action B anytime they want to get result A," out of what he said.
 

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I learned a lot from being stomped by pros in all the rts games I've ever played.
Especially if you can record the games and examine their build order.
Very useful to me.
 

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boholikeu said:
I actually think they should keep the matchmaking strict. Yes, the games will be more "exhausting" but I much prefer that kind of game to a 50/50 chance of pwning/getting stomped.
Actually getting matched against someone a bit better then you is one of the best ways to learn. If you are evenly matched you don't try new things, or really work at winning, you don't get to see new tactics, etc. I could go on but you should be getting the idea. Sure getting stomped is no fun, and your not likely to pick up on anything, but playing against someone just a bit better, well thats a real challenge, and it forces you to at last attempt to play at their level.
 

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Agorwal said:
I have to say, while I do like this idea, and I even agree with the matchmaking being too good in some games to the point of getting really tired after an hour or 2 of close competitive games, I also agree with a post above that it will be very frustrating to some people, I know im one of them, due to taking a long break from the game and coming back to realize you forgot your account information.

For example the game they put in the article, Warcraft III, I have probably uninstalled and reinstalled the game 3 or 4 times now, and with each reinstall I have had to make a new account due to me forgetting the old information due to it no longer being neccessary. Also the whole thing about being able to send the information to an email doesn't always work, I dont know about the rest of you but I personally made some extremely stupid emails in the past when I was younger that I would rather forget, so sending my account info to an email I made in 6th grade isn't gonna work for me.
I agree with you on the issue of horrible email names
ninjajoeman said:
they need a little bit of a mixture because how the hell do you learn to be better if you play average joe everyday...seriously you learn new things from vet players and if you keep playing noobs you wont learn jack.
I deffinitely agree with you.

I am the kind of guy who tries not to read strategy guides, they cause players to follow the path of pre-destined build orders, allowing them to be easily countered.
I prefer learning tricks from my allies or enemies, or on occations; thinking completely new tactics on the spot (Well, atleast new to the person who is thinking the tactic on the spot).

Someone mentioned something of having to let others play your account on line and lower your score. Well I have something similar to say:
What about the people that play at Net Baaangs or internet coffees. Are they going to be forced to use elite accounts and be forced to be stomped?
 

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Callex said:
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I don't have the beta.
Is matchmaking a separate option or something for ranked matches?
Also, can you not just create a room and get your buddies to join?
What if my buddies are noobs and we wanna play together but I am the leetsauce?
Matchmaking = the tool that organises ranked matches for you. You can create a 'party' of sorts with your buddies, and join unranked custom games together.

You can also arrange a 2v2 3v3 or 4v4 ranked match with them. The system will try to take the skill of each player in your team into account and find a team of similar skill. Team games are ranked seperately to the singleplayer games, so you could be a bronze leaguer in 1v1, but have a platinum team in 2v2 etc...
Ah okay good to know. For a second I thought you could not play casual. That would be a stupid move on a game 10 years in development.
 

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Why not have 2 types of matchmaking? "open" and "fixed" open when it puts you up against anyone else no matter their skill level and fixed is just going by skill level.
 

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seems like there is a simple fix for that. give player the option at the bottom that says,"RANDOMIZED MATCHMAKING" follow by disclaimer "Matches are randomized and are not based on rank or skill if you choose this option"

They throw out their match algorithm and just match you to other ppl who have that option toggled. Just give the players the choice, i mean i don't think its a new idea to actually leave it to the hands of the player. Pretty sure we don't need a nanny to tell us who we can and can't play with :p
 

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ark123 said:
How many casual players are gonna buy SC2, though?
You would be surprised. Despite all the talk about Starcraft competitiveness the game is also famed for having a really good single player campaign. Not to mention that the game is fun even if you're playing AI.

Quite frankly I've always got the impression that the cries for a Starcraft 2 came from folk who wanted a new campaign, not the e-sports folk.
 

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manaman said:
boholikeu said:
I actually think they should keep the matchmaking strict. Yes, the games will be more "exhausting" but I much prefer that kind of game to a 50/50 chance of pwning/getting stomped.
Actually getting matched against someone a bit better then you is one of the best ways to learn. If you are evenly matched you don't try new things, or really work at winning, you don't get to see new tactics, etc. I could go on but you should be getting the idea. Sure getting stomped is no fun, and your not likely to pick up on anything, but playing against someone just a bit better, well thats a real challenge, and it forces you to at last attempt to play at their level.
I agree, which is why I would rather have the strict matchmaking in place. That way you'd be more likely to go up against someone that is just a bit better than you than someone that will just totally annihilate you.
 

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It's about time. I can't count how many times I've been stomped on both Warcraft III and Starcraft. I'm the type of guy who just wants to sit and build up a base first. But no; by the time I'm trying to get my resources to build a Barracks, all in the time of a minute, I'm getting Zerg-rushed.
 

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Jbird said:
It's about time. I can't count how many times I've been stomped on both Warcraft III and Starcraft. I'm the type of guy who just wants to sit and build up a base first. But no; by the time I'm trying to get my resources to build a Barracks, all in the time of a minute, I'm getting Zerg-rushed.
You're going to have to keep that in mind as a persistent threat, though. Blizzard embraces the rush, and it really isn't hard to have a few Marines in place to defend against a rush.
 

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It's a nice idea I just wish it affected me. Because inevitably I'll be ranked right at the bottom with the people who have spent "only" 8 years memorising build queues, practising micro and learning attack trees.

Anyway if they want to add this kind of flow I wonder if there may be better ways around it than wonky matchmaking. Maybe throw in co-op maps every now and then to give players a break.
 

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Bobular said:
I have hated most online strategy games due to being beat so easly. May be this will help me. If not, I'll still be gatting SCII and play my friends.
I would suggest trying C&C4, you can play coop with other players, and in general the players are helpful.
 

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John Funk said:
Jbird said:
It's about time. I can't count how many times I've been stomped on both Warcraft III and Starcraft. I'm the type of guy who just wants to sit and build up a base first. But no; by the time I'm trying to get my resources to build a Barracks, all in the time of a minute, I'm getting Zerg-rushed.
You're going to have to keep that in mind as a persistent threat, though. Blizzard embraces the rush, and it really isn't hard to have a few Marines in place to defend against a rush.
Jbird said:
...by the time I'm trying to get my resources to build a Barracks, all in the time of a minute, I'm getting Zerg-rushed.
And it doesn't help that by the time I do have some defense, there are fifty Zerglings to every one Marine I have.
 

John Funk

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MurderousToaster said:
This is actually a fairly good plan. People who shout about it are clearly the "smurfers" in question.

I bet anything that this is going to add more people illegally downloading SC2 just to ruin the fun of new players.
The beauty of it is that people who pirate SC2 don't get Battle.net :)
 

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UnkeptBiscuit said:
Great, now I might actually have a chance in an RTS. Now all I need is for them to announce that it's going to be released on Mac, or else save up a shitload of money for my local Internet cafe.
I think you can be fairly confident it'll be released on mac, every blizz game have been.