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I was also really disappointed with the beta for Medal of Honor's MP, which was also done by DICE. They couldn't even get the spawning right and it ended up being a camp fest. Didn't buy that one either.

I mean how can you be a major player in this genre and fail at hit reg and fail at making spawn trap maps?
 

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xDarc said:
I was also really disappointed with the beta for Medal of Honor's MP, which was also done by DICE. They couldn't even get the spawning right and it ended up being a camp fest. Didn't buy that one either.

I mean how can you be a major player in this genre and fail at hit reg and fail at making spawn trap maps?
Hit detection was so bad in BC 2 I remember. The only just recently fixed it a couple of months ago. You want bad spawns? Play Black Ops. The baddest of the bad.
 

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EcksTeaSea said:
xDarc said:
I was also really disappointed with the beta for Medal of Honor's MP, which was also done by DICE. They couldn't even get the spawning right and it ended up being a camp fest. Didn't buy that one either.

I mean how can you be a major player in this genre and fail at hit reg and fail at making spawn trap maps?
Hit detection was so bad in BC 2 I remember. The only just recently fixed it a couple of months ago. You want bad spawns? Play Black Ops. The baddest of the bad.
I've been playing BF:BC2 from day one and the only times I have had poor hit detection were when I was on a high ping server -- did you spray like in COD? To pull off mid to long range shots with an assault rifle, you had to fire in single shot. I don't mean to flame, just curious.

BF2 had bad hit detection, back in the day...
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
That looks more like Call of Duty than Battlefield. Regenerating health, narrow corridors, CoD style reloading with infinite (as long as you have bullets to put in them) magazines, no sign of vehicles, basically not what I was expecting from Battlefield 3. As the OP said, however, it is very pretty. That has to be the best lighting I've ever seen in a videogame.
There was regenerating health?
As for most of what you said, I just read a big article on gamespot (I know, I know, but it's the only place I found one) about the entire video. It does have vehicles apparently, which makes me happy in the pantaloons.
 

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captaincabbage said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
That looks more like Call of Duty than Battlefield. Regenerating health, narrow corridors, CoD style reloading with infinite (as long as you have bullets to put in them) magazines, no sign of vehicles, basically not what I was expecting from Battlefield 3. As the OP said, however, it is very pretty. That has to be the best lighting I've ever seen in a videogame.
There was regenerating health?
As for most of what you said, I just read a big article on gamespot (I know, I know, but it's the only place I found one) about the entire video. It does have vehicles apparently, which makes me happy in the pantaloons.
Well, it has the bloody screen effect, and no visible health bar. The bloody screen gradually faded, which suggests to me that it does, in fact, have regenerating health. If the final version turns out to have a proper health bar, I'll feel much happier about the whole thing. The vehicles are good news too, and that suggests there are much larger maps that we haven't seen yet; the map in the video doesn't have room for a jeep, let alone for helicopters, tanks, and fighter jets.

It's still a shame about the way reloading works. If you look at the HUD in the video, you can clearly see that there is no magazine counter, just a number for the bullets remaining in the magazine, and the total number of bullets. The old Battlefield games had a number for the bullets left in the magazine, and a number of clips remaining. Reloading before emptying a clip threw out the remaining bullets.
 

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Holy cow folks, get off your FPS high-horse. The game doesn't look terrible at all.

In fact, the single player looks pretty darn good. And if the multiplayer is anything like BC2 it should at least be playable.
 

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WrongSprite said:
EcksTeaSea said:
WrongSprite said:
No, I'm talking about the singleplayer mostly.

Although, I'll bet you £100 right now that it'll be almost identical to the Bad Company multi.
Of course it will be. DICE multiplayer is the exact same thing every time.
Well, not really, the Bad Company stuff took a diversion from the main Battlefield series in my opinon, and it's a shame.
It doesn't have to be a shame as long as the regular Battlefield-spiel isn't lost. And I hope it isn't.

But I absolutely love Bad Company 2, and I've played several regular Battlefields before. I think Bad Company(2) really stuck to the Battlefield-feel (tactical, more like a, well, battlefield than a Deathmatch), but still had it's own face. And as a BC2 fan I don't think this video looks like BC2 at all. If anything it looks like CoD, or even more like the latest Medal of Honor.
KenzS said:
Holy cow folks, get off your FPS high-horse. The game doesn't look terrible at all.

In fact, the single player looks pretty darn good. And if the multiplayer is anything like BC2 it should at least be playable.
Oh it looks decent enough, but it's not what most people expect of Battlefield. When people think Battlefield, they mostly think huge, sprawling battles with tanks and jets and you name it. Not small-scale, urban infantry combat, which is what this video shows.
 

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KenzS said:
Holy cow folks, get off your FPS high-horse. The game doesn't look terrible at all.

In fact, the single player looks pretty darn good. And if the multiplayer is anything like BC2 it should at least be playable.
I don't think anyone is claiming that it looks like a bad game, just that it doesn't look like a Battlefield game, in much the same way that Fallout 3 wasn't like the earlier Fallout games. There's a reason why people who have actually played the Battlefield games usually don't lump them in with CoD when discussing modern shooters, and it has nothing to do with the subjective quality of the two series.
 

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Personally (im a 2007 onward from battlefield 2 fan, just so you know, and just to remind myself not to get on too high of a horse), After playing the tragically over-blown "Realistic" story of Modern warfare 2 (which is probably the reason why russia was the enemy in both bad company games), playing against someone who is not russia in a modern day/non cold war scenario is kinda refreshing.

It seems more down to earth, not adding stupid and non-existant elements such as Rail-mounted heartbeat sensors or orbital EMP strikes, and hell, There is actually recoil from the guns that can be seen. I guess we will have to wait for multiplayer before making proper judgement whether this is a true battlefield game.

Me, im choosing to remain optimistic. Sure, the graphics are nicely polished and there is a singleplayer campaign, but that is mainly for the offline and console crowd. Personally I would prefer a Bot-based practice mode like in BF2 so I could get a feel for the weapons and vehicles in a multiplayer scenario but I take what Im given, unless it can be modded in.
 

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This is the very first Battlefield 3 thread, and we got very little information about the game. Yet, everyone is already complaining... I mean, come on!

I am rather excited. I played Battlefield 2 a lot back in the days, and I really enjoyed it. Haven't played other DICE-games since then, but I am really excited.
 

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Cowabungaa said:
Oh it looks decent enough, but it's not what most people expect of Battlefield. When people think Battlefield, they mostly think huge, sprawling battles with tanks and jets and you name it. Not small-scale, urban infantry combat, which is what this video shows.
DICE has already confirmed the return of jets, prone and 64-player multiplayer for PC. They've also confirmed that they're remaking Kanarkand from BF2.

This particular level of the campaign might not be sprawling, but I wasn't expecting that either. Wait until they show off more than two minutes of the game, and some multiplayer footage at that, before you judge.
 

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JeanLuc761 said:
Cowabungaa said:
Oh it looks decent enough, but it's not what most people expect of Battlefield. When people think Battlefield, they mostly think huge, sprawling battles with tanks and jets and you name it. Not small-scale, urban infantry combat, which is what this video shows.
DICE has already confirmed the return of jets, prone and 64-player multiplayer for PC.

This particular level of the campaign might not be sprawling, but I wasn't expecting that either. Wait until they show off more than two minutes of the game, and some multiplayer footage at that, before you judge.
Of course, I'm just saying these teasers fail a bit. I mean, you'd reckon they show what sets their game apart first instead of well, showing us Medal of Honor/CoD with a sexy paintjob. It just doesn't seem like a clever marketing strategy, they've already sown a lot of skepticism like this.

It's good that they confirmed those things though, but a picture shows more than a thousand words. They did that a lot better with Bad Company 2 with those Battlefield Moments videos.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
captaincabbage said:
Owyn_Merrilin said:
That looks more like Call of Duty than Battlefield. Regenerating health, narrow corridors, CoD style reloading with infinite (as long as you have bullets to put in them) magazines, no sign of vehicles, basically not what I was expecting from Battlefield 3. As the OP said, however, it is very pretty. That has to be the best lighting I've ever seen in a videogame.
There was regenerating health?
As for most of what you said, I just read a big article on gamespot (I know, I know, but it's the only place I found one) about the entire video. It does have vehicles apparently, which makes me happy in the pantaloons.
Well, it has the bloody screen effect, and no visible health bar. The bloody screen gradually faded, which suggests to me that it does, in fact, have regenerating health. If the final version turns out to have a proper health bar, I'll feel much happier about the whole thing. The vehicles are good news too, and that suggests there are much larger maps that we haven't seen yet; the map in the video doesn't have room for a jeep, let alone for helicopters, tanks, and fighter jets.

It's still a shame about the way reloading works. If you look at the HUD in the video, you can clearly see that there is no magazine counter, just a number for the bullets remaining in the magazine, and the total number of bullets. The old Battlefield games had a number for the bullets left in the magazine, and a number of clips remaining. Reloading before emptying a clip threw out the remaining bullets.
Woah, woah, ease up ther cowboy, I never said anything about ammo counters or HUDs or whatever they're doing to manage that, so I didn't want some wall of conversation/vent about it. It's not exactly something that has a giant impact on my gaming.

As for the blood, I thought it looked more like a cinematic effect, of blood spatter from the soldier that got shot, so I assume that you didn't get shot yourself. Besides, it's a shortened trailer, they skipped ahead, doctored scenes and scripted the whole thing, so don't get so pent up about it.
 

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xDarc said:
They didn't show any hip shooting because they don't want you to see how ridiculous the spread is. At 2:07 you can see several rounds go super high even when aiming down the sight. Always hated this about BF.

It's a game mechanic to level the playing field in the name of mass appeal; you have to stop to manage cone of fire- and limit yourself to slow bursts, ensuring some mouth breather has time to draw a bead on you. It's kill for kill gaming design.

Everyone gets kills and it sells copies.
Everyone gets kills? Not on me, they don't. I'm sorry that you disapprove of the fact that not every game opts to have the hilarious hitscan laser rifles found in Call of Duty, but merely disliking a game mechanic doesn't mean that those who know how to make it work in their favor are, in your words, "mouth-breathers" that would presumably tremble in awe at your skills in a "real" game. If you can't tolerate the idea that maybe taking slow, deliberate shots (as per the real-life handling of firearms, a pattern you'll see further reflected by the need to take bullet trajectory into account when aiming) should impact accuracy, as opposed to being able to snap up the sights and spray thirty rounds in the same 2" MOA spread in one burst, I suggest you find a game that takes the reflex-centric approach to gunfights as opposed to games that rely as heavily on tactical thinking as it does on marksmanship (and you're in luck, because that's almost all of them).

If you patiently move with cover, pick your battles wisely, flank your enemies, work with your teammates, play to your loadout's strengths, and generally play like a soldier instead of the usual angel-of-death-incarnate that most games cast you as, you will steamroll your enemies and cackle triumphantly. If you try to sprint down the middle of a street and play Clint Eastwood with everything you encounter, you'll get shot to pieces by those taking the precautions listed in the previous sentence. I'm not saying you have to like the way the game wants you to play, but don't accuse it of pandering to the unskilled when your usual methods yield poor results; that'd be like saying Gears of War's multiplayer operates on a kill-for-kill mechanic because your refusal to take cover gets you shot all the time.

Dying a lot doesn't mean the game was designed to let other players kill you with ease, it means you need to realize that shooters from different companies often play by different rules, and failure to abide by those rules and steadfastly sticking to a preferred playstyle in spite of its ineffectiveness within the game means that yes, you ARE going to die as often as you score kills, if not moreso. In an average BFBC2 match, my KDR hovers around 2:1 (and often better) even though I'm focused on the objectives, because I know what the game expects from me, and I adjust my playstyle accordingly instead of griping about how the developers must have intentionally crippled me since the way I want to play it gets me killed all the time.
 

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I think it looks pretty awesome, and I'll be sure to get this one eventually. I don't know what everyone else is talking about, but I think this game will be great.
 

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I really wish DICE would show some multiplayer footage, considering on how they promised jets and 64 players on PC. I really want to see those large and expansive maps that the old Battlefield games used to have.
 

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I don't understand where all the hate is coming from. I've seen on some other threads that it will be "consolized" or that it will play like BC 2.

Has anyone actually read anything about the game. Confirmed 64 player matches(for PC only), jets, prone, etc.

I'm a huge Battlefield fan and as far as I've heard it is the consoles that are getting the short end of the stick this time.

They show off a bit of the Single player portion, that is basically a bonus anyways, and everyone is already making a fuss.

I wouldn't expect to see any major multiplayer related news until E3. I'm just happy I got to see the game in action
 

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Yeesh, you guys are all so negative.

Here's some info to consider:

DICE is pooling almost all of it's resources into this game. They even canceled BF 1943 for the PC so that the people working on that could work on BF3.

DICE has recognized that ported nature of the PC version of BC2, and is primarily developing BF3 for the PC, and porting it to consoles.

DICE thinks you guys are great and all, but still wants to evolve as a company. They don't want to just keep remaking BF2. They want to try new things, which is what we saw a lot of in the Bad Company games. That's why their using ANT for character animations, and why they developed the Frostbite engine.

Plus, the game isn't coming out 'till the holidays. There's only been one fucking trailer. Save the judgement for later.

And yes, I'm very much looking forward to this game, and am a fan of DICE.
 

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Nerd rage!

Arghhhh!

It looks fine you pack of ladies. Just because it is showing small scale infantry encounters doesn't mean that it has turned into Call of Duty and just because it has a single player campaign doesn't mean it is a remake of Bad Company. Adding a single player element to a game is a smart move. It brings in a lot more people.

One thing I have to say though, is as usual in video games, the room clearing was completely ridiculous. But hey, it's a video game!
 

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WrongSprite said:
Still Life said:
WrongSprite said:
This doesn't deserve the title of Battlefield 3.

1942, Vietnam, 2, 2142, those are the real BF games, this is more in the style of Bad Company.

Don't get me wrong, it looks good, but it's not Battlefield.
They only showed the singleplayer portion and you're already jumping the gun on multiplayer?
No, I'm talking about the singleplayer mostly.

Although, I'll bet you £100 right now that it'll be almost identical to the Bad Company multi.
Is that seriously a problem? Bad Comany 2's multiplayer was nothing short of amazing. Probably the best thing for the franchise right now is to keep the same gameplay style until the 2142 Remake