Battlestar Galactica - does it get better?

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Sixcess

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Yes, very late to the party, but I finally got around to watching the 're-imagined' Battlestar Galactica. Season 1 was pretty good - not perfect, but good, strong sci-fi for the most part.

Then I started on Season 2, and oh boy, this is bad. So my question is, is Season 2 known to be bad? Does it get better? Or is this pretty much what I'm in for from here on in, so I might as well give up on it now?

For perspective, I'm 5 or 6 episodes into S2 - the President has just led a third of the fleet to Kobal and that's that. Here's my problems with the show:

'Character Armor' is starting to become really noticeable. The show's willingness to kill minor characters just highlights the immortality of the main cast. On a related note, the Cylons are the worst shots I've seen since imperial stormtroopers. In summary: stop gunning down extras with automatic weapons whilst the main cast member standing next to them is unscathed.

Conflict and Character Flaws are overdone. Yeah, this isn't Star Trek where everyone is nice, but most of the cast of this show are so riddled with human weakness I find myself rather hoping the Cylons will show up and kill them all, just to stop them whining and being useless.

But that won't happen, because The Cylons are only a threat when it's convenient, which is why we have the absurd situation of the breakaway fleet discussing defending themselves against a possible attack by the Galactica, whilst completely ignoring the far more likely risk of being slaughtered by the robot killing machines that are trying to exterminate the human race.

Or are they? For as the show desperately reminds us every week, they have a plan. I'm glad you keep telling me this, BSG, because you're not showing me. Every time Baltar has one of his little head trips I feel like turning the sounds off, because Six says absolutely fuck all, all the time. Almost nothing that she says is memorable as it's just all the same airy pseudo-mystical bullshit, and almost none of it advances the plot... or should I say "the plan" (dun dun dun!)

And finally, the Gods are on our side, or at least the writers are. Roslin and her prophecies are really starting to annoy me, because she's never wrong, about anything. The show is bending over backwards to stop her making any bad decisions by removing the need for her to make decisions, and ensuring that any questionable decision she does make is justified by what happens. She sends Starbuck on a fool's errand and it succeeds. She leads a third of the fleet away from their only source of protection and the Cylons aren't there to attack. She is asked if they will fire on an unidentified ship but the ship contacts her before she has to actually make a decision...

In summary: when characters say "it's written in the prophecies" all I hear is "it's written in the script."
 

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Sixcess said:
*When you Sinp the big snip*
Oh boy... no, season one and two are imo the peak, seasons 3 and 4 are filler riddled incoherent messes.
 

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I dunno bro, I gave up somewhere around the time the show started implying something about babies and cylons and gods and 13 planets...
 

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Sixcess said:
'Character Armor' is starting to become really noticeable. The show's willingness to kill minor characters just highlights the immortality of the main cast. On a related note, the Cylons are the worst shots I've seen since imperial stormtroopers. In summary: stop gunning down extras with automatic weapons whilst the main cast member standing next to them is unscathed.
Give it some time.

Major characters die as well.

But no. Plot wise it doesn't get much better. To be fair, as it goes on, it gets a bit worse.

To be honest I quite enjoyed it but then again i'm easily amused. Some people I know managed to get to the 3rd season before they got pissed off with it.
 

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It has its critics and some of their opinions are very valid... But just remember its considered one of the best TV series of the last decade for bloody good reason.

It certainly deserves watching to the end.

I never really got the hate for the last season though, I thought it was great.
 

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Eh....I'm still torn on this. One thing that's true is that the second half of the series is vastly different from the first. It gets more outlandish and bizarre and almost nonsensical at times.

I can't really say it gets better or worse, it just gets different. It's absolutely clear they were making it up as they went (they've admitted this), which I HATE. I always prefer stories where the writer(s) knew from the beginning exactly where it was going.

But yeah, major characters absolutely will die, and when they do, it's even worse than when you think they're invulnerable. One death in particular almost made me quit watching the show altogether because it was one of my favorite characters and was completely unnecessary. (Not gonna spoil it, but it's a suicide, so those who've watched it will know who I mean.)

The biggest thing I was left with after watching it was the feeling of wasted opportunity. There's so much they could have done with the story that would have been great, and instead they largely pissed it all away on stupid melodramatic moments of angst.

There are some really great moments, and it does stay compelling throughout, but I thought that ultimately it didn't deliver on all that it promised. It was way better than "Lost" though, I can tell you that.
 

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I'm afraid it only gets worse. I couldn't stomach the series after the first 10 or so episodes of Season 3.
 

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Haven't watched in a while but all that needed to be said has been said. The second half is where the show completely makes the jump from science fiction to science fantasy, so if you're keen on the mythical side of the show I guess it could be better. The angst is still on full power though, no one ever seems to get along do they?
 

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It gets worse. I stopped watching 5 episodes from the end because I realized that the writers were going to force Adama and Roslin and Starbuck into the "good guy" role no matter how shitty they were as people and it annoyed me to the point where I couldn't take any character seriously anymore. Not to mention that Starbuck is the worst character in the history of television

The first few episodes of season 3 are kinda cool, but it takes a hard left into the absurd after that. Save yourself the trouble
 

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I loved the entire series up to and including the finale.

having said that, if you're early in the second season and not loving the show, you should probably just stop now.
 

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Raven said:
I never really got the hate for the last season though, I thought it was great.
Same. I really enjoyed the series throughout.

I think the characters were intentionally written in a way that highlighted their flaws in each episode, so I kind of liked that. You'd get these heroic characters that would have you really rooting for them in one episode and questioning them in another.

Second season really showed that the writers were going to address some fundamental question of spirituality, so if you don't like that kind of stuff, I would say it won't get any better for you than the first two seasons and the start of the third.
 

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I loved the whole series. Seasons 3 and 4 do feel a bit different to 1 and 2, but I always enjoyed it (except for a few stand alone episodes in Season 3 that the writers were forced to do). It's probably one of my favourite sci-fi shows. Some of the complaints you have I never really noticed, but I did watch it all on DVD so maybe it's just that they disappear pretty soon after the 2nd season.

And that whole "they have a plan" thing. I'm pretty sure RDM says in one of the commentaries that it was a result of executive meddling and they never wanted to do that.
 

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Let me answer your question thusly:



Someone else has already used the word "incoherent", so I'll just say this--it gets worse than Lost.

Worse. Than. LOST.
 

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Hmm, if you aren't enjoying the second season so far, perhaps the series really isn't for you?

I always thought season 3 was the worst (and I think that's a generally accepted opinion in the community?) just from some certain episodes alone (The Woman King....*shudder*). Season 2 gets better in my opinion, its just probably not as good as the first season. Season 4...gets mixed results from a lot of people. The Series Finale itself is the same thing.

From what I remember hearing, they used almost every single plot point they had originally thought of way too early (pretty much toward the end of the second season), meaning by the 3rd season, they literally were just winging it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, depends on who you talk to and what season.

Guess maybe just try to plow through it a little more? At least until halfway or something? I absolutely loved this show (one of my top 5 in fact, easily), so if I could recommend this show, I certainly will. All that stuff you've stated seems true, and I don't really think it changes too much. But if all the characters are really just annoying you this early on and you want them all to die, then you probably shouldn't force yourself to watch it.

Granted its been years since I've seen BSG, and I haven't had the chance to watch the show back to back continuously on DVDs to really take a "second helping" of the show for criticism, so take that as you will.

Raven said:
It has its critics and some of their opinions are very valid... But just remember its considered one of the best TV series of the last decade for bloody good reason.

It certainly deserves watching to the end.

I never really got the hate for the last season though, I thought it was great.
I thought people didn't like the last season because almost every episode was ending in a plot twist just to hook you up for watching the next episode? That and I guess certain character developments probably rubbed people off the wrong way. Then you have the Series Finale...

Like the last season a lot though, so I'm probably not the best for understanding why people don't like it.
 

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Xathos said:
Raven said:
It has its critics and some of their opinions are very valid... But just remember its considered one of the best TV series of the last decade for bloody good reason.

It certainly deserves watching to the end.

I never really got the hate for the last season though, I thought it was great.
I thought people didn't like the last season because almost every episode was ending in a plot twist just to hook you up for watching the next episode? That and I guess certain character developments probably rubbed people off the wrong way. Then you have the Series Finale...

Like the last season a lot though, so I'm probably not the best for understanding why people don't like it.
Well I never watched it on TV, only on DVD. And I've watched the series as a whole about 4 times. So the cliffhangers never really bothered me. I guess I was just cool with the direction the show took. I embraced the religious and spiritual aspects of the show and enjoyed the ongoing character conflicts. I think by the end of the series I was just so in love with the characters that I just focused on what happened next as opposed to where the series was headed thematically.

Again with the finale, I didn't have a problem with it at all. But I know it has a reputation for being devisive.
 

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Another problem is that a lot of the characters underwent too many weird changes throughout the series. Arbitrary changes. Like they didn't know where else to go with a character when he had one personality, so they changed his personality and tried some other things. Starback and Apollo definitely changed for the worse, but nobody more so than Baltar.

It's like they couldn't decide what the hell to do with him. He was like 12 different people through the course of the show. They created this great character and after the first season it's like he'd served his purpose and now they just needed to find shit for him to do.
 

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Raven said:
Well I never watched it on TV, only on DVD. And I've watched the series as a whole about 4 times. So the cliffhangers never really bothered me. I guess I was just cool with the direction the show took. I embraced the religious and spiritual aspects of the show and enjoyed the ongoing character conflicts. I think by the end of the series I was just so in love with the characters that I just focused on what happened next as opposed to where the series was headed thematically.

Again with the finale, I didn't have a problem with it at all. But I know it has a reputation for being devisive.
I liked the series finale a lot, but I can easily see why people hate it. I always thought it made sense in the show's lore and universe, but from a storytelling standpoint its a bit bleh.

Still love this show a lot, as I felt it did a lot of things right (like character interactions and drama. They felt realistic...for the most part). Surprised none of the actors won any awards though, that part always astounds me.
 

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Xathos said:
I liked the series finale a lot, but I can easily see why people hate it. I always thought it made sense in the show's lore and universe, but from a storytelling standpoint its a bit bleh.

Still love this show a lot, as I felt it did a lot of things right (like character interactions and drama. They felt realistic...for the most part). Surprised none of the actors won any awards though, that part always astounds me.
They didn't? That's surprising. I thought James Callis as Baltar was one of the best actors in the whole series. Extraordinary range and control, He dealt with the constantly changing demands of the character very well. Also special mentions due to Dean Stockwell (Brother Cavill), Lucy Lawless (Diana) and I'm a massive Aaron Douglas (Chief Tyroll fan now. The series' music composer Bear McCreary also did a fantastic job and deserves recognition.