Before, and after life.
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Before Birth: You're a tree or plant, and you don't remember it because you had no brain.
After Death: You decompose into the soil until you eventually become a tree or plant again. How cool would that be? Then, when someone eats a part of you (you could be a wheat plant or something), you enter their body and have a chance at rebirth!
After Death: You decompose into the soil until you eventually become a tree or plant again. How cool would that be? Then, when someone eats a part of you (you could be a wheat plant or something), you enter their body and have a chance at rebirth!
1) before i was born... i'll give you the short version.
There were some apes, who thought that becoming humans could be awesome, they invented fire, the weel and all sorts of stuff. Later they started making countires and duking it out.
then there was a few world wars, and in 1988 it all culmianted in by birth, and the world rejoiced.
2) i dunno, they'll prolly make all sort of awesome things i'll never get a chance to use, cause i'll be nothing but ashes.
There were some apes, who thought that becoming humans could be awesome, they invented fire, the weel and all sorts of stuff. Later they started making countires and duking it out.
then there was a few world wars, and in 1988 it all culmianted in by birth, and the world rejoiced.
2) i dunno, they'll prolly make all sort of awesome things i'll never get a chance to use, cause i'll be nothing but ashes.
Good choice of topic... lessee now...
1. Before birth, I'm not quite sure. Perhaps we're all kept in a waiting room, a bit like a doctor's surgery. The consultant comes out and says "Your birth is ready for you now". Or something like that.
2. I like to believe that you choose your own afterlife. Therefore, I'm going to Valhalla to booze away my eternity with a bunch of dead vikings. Bound to be a grand-ole knees-up at the very least and it's not like they can kill me, is it?
1. Before birth, I'm not quite sure. Perhaps we're all kept in a waiting room, a bit like a doctor's surgery. The consultant comes out and says "Your birth is ready for you now". Or something like that.
2. I like to believe that you choose your own afterlife. Therefore, I'm going to Valhalla to booze away my eternity with a bunch of dead vikings. Bound to be a grand-ole knees-up at the very least and it's not like they can kill me, is it?
Well, according to Plato, the sol is eternal and exists before birth and after death. It is immortal.
It is a separate entity from the body.
When you die your soul returns to the world of the forms for a time and then enters a new body. This is why some people have experiences of past lives.
The view of Aristotle is in almost complete contrast to this. The soul is a part of the body. One can not exist without the other. Therefore, the soul cannot exist after death, meaning there is no life after death.
I would suggest reading the myth of Er which plato uses to illustrate his point
There is also something known as modern materialism, a view held by such figures as Richard Dawkins. This view holds that there is no part of a person that is non physical. Following the tradition of Aristotle, materialists believe that the consciousness cannot be separated from the brain, because for the materialist, nothing exists except matter. The materialist view then, rules out the possibilities of any form of conscious life after death,, since consciousness is caused purely by physical phenomena. Once the brain has died the consciousness must end.
In his book River Out of Eden, Dawkins asserts;'there is no spirit driven life force, no throbbing, heaving, pullulating, protoplasmic, mystic jelly. Life is just bytes and bytes and bytes of digital information.'
I have yet to decide between the dualist and materialist positions. Seems the questions are not as simple as you thought XD
It is a separate entity from the body.
When you die your soul returns to the world of the forms for a time and then enters a new body. This is why some people have experiences of past lives.
The view of Aristotle is in almost complete contrast to this. The soul is a part of the body. One can not exist without the other. Therefore, the soul cannot exist after death, meaning there is no life after death.
I would suggest reading the myth of Er which plato uses to illustrate his point
There is also something known as modern materialism, a view held by such figures as Richard Dawkins. This view holds that there is no part of a person that is non physical. Following the tradition of Aristotle, materialists believe that the consciousness cannot be separated from the brain, because for the materialist, nothing exists except matter. The materialist view then, rules out the possibilities of any form of conscious life after death,, since consciousness is caused purely by physical phenomena. Once the brain has died the consciousness must end.
In his book River Out of Eden, Dawkins asserts;'there is no spirit driven life force, no throbbing, heaving, pullulating, protoplasmic, mystic jelly. Life is just bytes and bytes and bytes of digital information.'
I have yet to decide between the dualist and materialist positions. Seems the questions are not as simple as you thought XD
you know how when you wake up and you don't remember any dreams or anything?
yeah, like that, forever.
hard to imagine being not alive.
but I guess it would be like that. no dwelling on the past, no worrying about the future, no anything.
there is certainly no "achievement" for finishing. no end credits, and no squeal.
I certainly don't worry about death it's self, I worry about being alive looking back on missed opportunities that I can never get back, I worry about not ever knowing the feeling of achieving certain goals.
yeah, like that, forever.
hard to imagine being not alive.
but I guess it would be like that. no dwelling on the past, no worrying about the future, no anything.
there is certainly no "achievement" for finishing. no end credits, and no squeal.
I certainly don't worry about death it's self, I worry about being alive looking back on missed opportunities that I can never get back, I worry about not ever knowing the feeling of achieving certain goals.
My apologies if this is going to be a dumb question, but I got to ask.Batfred said:
If you are convinced there is nothing after death, then why do you believe or why be religious?
I was under the impression that believing always had to do with what was going to happen to you when you or someone close to you dies. Went to a beter place, coming back as something else, that sort of stuff. And your purpose in life was to ensure that you'd get a satisfying result in the end.
I do not believe, I do not practice a religion and I'm not looking forward to the end of life. It scares me a great deal. In that way I envy people who do believe, at least they -know- it's not all over and done.
But yes, your views leave me a little confused.
Not dumb at all. Historicaly when we were less enlightened, religion and the thought of an afterlife were created as a way to keep the populace in order. The thought of eternal damnation versus ambrosia of the gods was a way of making people be nice to each other which was more effective than actual policing.The King And His Fool said:
The concept of an afterlife is no longer required to keep the us in order, but I still believe in a higher power. As a physisict by qualification, I understand a lot of how the universe is made up (according to current theory), but too much is to unexplanable, so I accept that there must be some form of "god" for want of a better word.
1. Nothing
2. Nothing
And off topic.. I've heard something about how conciousness works that mirrors the Philip Pullman idea that your conciousness joins up with the rest of the universe's. But you never know it could be complete bull.
2. Nothing
And off topic.. I've heard something about how conciousness works that mirrors the Philip Pullman idea that your conciousness joins up with the rest of the universe's. But you never know it could be complete bull.
Eternal recurrence.
When you die, you go right back to the beginning of your life and live it again.
This of course means that destiny and fate are real, if this theory was true.
When you die, you go right back to the beginning of your life and live it again.
This of course means that destiny and fate are real, if this theory was true.
See, I never get the basis behind these theories. I mean, we know what happens to the body after you die, we know the brain is where all our emotions, thought, and "consciousness" is held. We know that when you die your brain ceases to function. So the logical conclusion is that after you die you cease to exist....I mean, your body is still around but it's dead and it's not you.Stranger of Sorts said:
So...
1)you don't exist.
2) you cease to exist.
Nice avatar.Lullabye said:
Also, before you are born you don't exist. You're various parts exist though, but they haven't formed themselves into your parts yet. Until you are born; you are probably energy in some state.
After you die, you will have died. The empty shell that you will have left behind is then going to slowly return to it's previous state of energy, only a worse kind of energy (see. the laws of thermodynamics).