Behemoth or Death Claw?

[II2]

Interesting question and video response.

Deathclaws have consistently given me way more grief across 3 and NV... (and the originals, but there were no behemoths, or even times where you'd encounter Deathclaws and Super Mutant troops simulatenously, to my knowledge [except Goris the Deathclaw NPC fighting for you in Broken Hills or the odd "masters army remenants" encounter]"...

I think this is also basically a Fallout 3 discussion, since NV had a wider variety of Deathclaw varients, but no Behemoths that I know of.

You could check the Fallout wiki for the stats, but I think the take away is that Behemoths might do more damage per hit and have a huge pool of hitpoints, but they don't have armour modifiers on either attack of defense, whereas Deathclaws advance and attack faster and basically bypass armour on the offense.

 

[Worgen]

I never even got to see behemoths, I accidentally skipped the radio thing so they never spawned for me.

 

[Absolutionis]

By 'Tougher', I assume you mean an outright 1v1 slugfest with no thought (VATS to the leg cripples a Deathclaw).

So Deathclaws win as the video showed.

 

[triggrhappy94]

I want to say Behemoth, because they seem like they can deal out more damage and have more health. According to the wiki they do a base 33 damage and have 2000 health. According to the same wiki the NV deathclaw does 125 damage and has 500 (the F3 deathclaw does 25 less damage). Both have zero damage resistance. That means the Behemoth has to make 16 hits while the F3 deathclaw has to make 20 but the NV deathclaw is actually tied with the Behemoth (well, actually has to make 85/99 more of a hit than the Behemoth). This says nothing about speed though.

(Death claws are actually mutated chameleons, something I found out while looking this up)

EDIT: After watching the video again, the Deathclaw has closing speed, but attack-wise it has a very minor speed advantage. That advantage seems to make a huge difference. The deathclaw has a huge knockback. That means the Behemoth's attacks, which will always come second to the DC, may miss. This also doesn't factor criticals--another variable I can't find a stat for.

 

[Deadyawn]

Fallout 3 deathclaws are weaksauce. If you want a REAL deatclaw you need to play new vegas. all of them are way tougher and there are alpha males, mothers (which can run at about 100kph(litteraly)) and the legendary deathclaw which will wreck your day, especially so considering its inside a cave so you can't just snipe it from really far away like I usually do.
There's also Rawr from lonesome road who's pretty badass.
And stripe. Can't forget stripe.

So yeah, they win.

 

[unbreakable212]

(Death claws are actually mutated chameleons, something I found out while looking this up)

Mutated Chameleons? Who would've thought something so harmless looking would turn out to be one of the deadliest mutants. Although this is a game...

OT: I'd say Deathclaws as all of my encounters with them usually had me swivelling around to make sure it was just the one and not a gang of them, whereas with Behemoths you could be sure it was just the one, I think their is even a video of someone meleeing a behemoth to death, although he is max level if i remember.

 

[twistedheat15]

New Vegas Deathclaws are worse than Behemoths. First of all, DCs ignore your armor value and secondly they can gang up on you and thirdly, there's no experimental mirv to make combat easier.

But there's a riot shotgun with magnum and slug rounds that turns everything into red puree.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Always the Death Claws. All you need is the dart gun and it makes them extremely easy. No more closing a football field sized gap in 3 seconds.

 

[Astoria]

Definitely Deathclaws. At least there are only 5 Behemoths and you won't find 2 at once. Deathclaws are fast and often are in groups. I had Charon and Dogmeat with me when I faced most of the Behemoths though so that might have had something to do with why they weren't very hard for me to defeat.

 

[RedDeadFred]

You can one-shot deathclaws.

You can't one-shot behemoths.

There ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTdbkF-Jys
I'll just leave this here...

 

[Leethe1Girl]

Behemoth... but only because it's my most fav roller coaster ever.

 

[halfeclipse]

Behemoth. Same damage, 4 times the HP.

I want to say Behemoth, because they seem like they can deal out more damage and have more health. According to the wiki they do a base 33 damage and have 2000 health. According to the same wiki the NV deathclaw does 125 damage and has 500 (the F3 deathclaw does 25 less damage). Both have zero damage resistance. That means the Behemoth has to make 16 hits while the F3 deathclaw has to make 20 but the NV deathclaw is actually tied with the Behemoth (well, actually has to make 85/99 more of a hit than the Behemoth). This says nothing about speed though.

(Death claws are actually mutated chameleons, something I found out while looking this up)

EDIT: After watching the video again, the Deathclaw has closing speed, but attack-wise it has a very minor speed advantage. That advantage seems to make a huge difference. The deathclaw has a huge knockback. That means the Behemoth's attacks, which will always come second to the DC, may miss. This also doesn't factor criticals--another variable I can't find a stat for.

Behemoth's normally come equipped with a fire hydrant which does 100 damage compared to the unarmed's 33. The video fails to take that into account.

Course neither of them have a thing on albino radscorpions. *shudder*

 

[Easton Dark]

You can one-shot deathclaws.

You can't one-shot behemoths.

There ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTdbkF-Jys
I'll just leave this here...

Oh come on! Behemoth's aren't small enough for every bullet to hit squarely in the face like this one.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Fail at posting... meant to quote but failed. This will be a double post.

Sorry.

 

[RedDeadFred]

You can one-shot deathclaws.

You can't one-shot behemoths.

There ya go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcTdbkF-Jys
I'll just leave this here...

Oh come on! Behemoth's aren't small enough for every bullet to hit squarely in the face like this one.

Wouldn't it being a smaller target make it more difficult for every bullet to hit is square in the face?

 

[Mutie]

Deathclaw standardly takes Behemoth: it has been proven many a time. Deathclaws were a pain for a while, but A-whatshisface's Plasma Rifle goos em up pretty nicely. I've never taken a Behemoth on face to face, instead using sniper rifles to coax em into killing everything around em, before finishing em with one finely place bullet.

 

[evilneko]

Behemoths, for all their size, aren't so bad. There are only a handful in Fallout 3 and two of them are in an enclosed area, making them easy pickins. A third at GNR, well, there's that FatMan right there, just nuke him.

Deathclaws in Fallout 3 aren't so bad either. They're supposed to ignore armor, but I think it doesn't work. It certainly does in New Vegas though, and it's pretty nasty. Still not very hard to take down if you keep your wits about you.

Still, I'd say Deathclaws, for the simple reason that a) they're perceptive little bastards and b) there's a lot more of them.

 

[sextus the crazy]

New Vegas Deathclaws are worse than Behemoths. First of all, DCs ignore your armor value and secondly they can gang up on you and thirdly, there's no experimental mirv to make combat easier.

But there's a riot shotgun with magnum and slug rounds that turns everything into red puree.

I go gauss rifle sniping personally.

 

[Rottweiler]

Problem with Deathclaws is they ignore armor.

Behemoths don't.

That really settles it for me. Sure there's ways to neutralize anything, but with a Behemoth, I can dodge around and usually get the better of him. Deathclaws...claw claw aieeee

 

[DarkRyter]

I believe your question has already been answered.

Now this is some motherfuckin SCIENCE.