The Virtualboy, although the Dreamcast is a close second. You cannot look at what happened to the Virtualboy and tell me that there's something worst, there isn't.
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I knew this would come up agin.Wargamer said:
If it is a bad console, people won't buy it.
Most prospective buyers today know about the red ring of death and yet the console is still being sold. Therefore this is not "the biggest flaw in any console evarr!!11!!!!1" because the advantages of the 360 outweigh the risk that it dies a horrible and premature death.
Combine this with the fact that rrod is now covered in the warranty and you will be reimbursed in the event that it happens to your console this is nowhere near as big a flaw as, for example, the N64 controllers that work great if you have 3 hands, but are terrible otherwise.
Damn, I was going to say that.classyplatypus said:
What, and have a decent game for the Wii? Nintendo would hate that.teisjm said:
Meh, well they think they've found worse flaws than having a console that doesn't actually work.Trivun said:
Jumplion said:No, absolutely not. I don't care if you've never had an RRoD before, you cannot simply toss aside the absolute atrocity of Microsoft's RRoD.Pi_Fighter said:
It does not matter if it's covered with a warranty, so what? It's absolutely appalling that Microsoft would expect their customers to continue sending in Xboxes because it's covered in warranty, which surprisingly people do! I've had friends that had their 360's break down 5 times in as many months. Would you seriously accept the fact that you'd turn in your 360 5 times in 5 months just because it's covered on warranty? Bull. Shit.
A 33% failure rate is absolutely atrocious. If a drug had a 33% failure rate, it'd be taken off the shelves immediately. If a car had a 33% failure rate, it'd barely be selling at all. If a computer had a 33% failure rate it would be boycotted until the company fixed it.
Now, accidents happen, and you're bound to take your car in for repair every couple of years or upgrade your computer to be better. But nobody would ever buy a car if it had a 33% chance of failing, and that would be for every model. Nobody would care if the care was covered in warranty, bullshit on that.
You're basically saying that if you're 360 got RRoD, send it in and get a new one. If that one gets an RRoD, no problem, send it in again! The next one gets RRoD, send it in! RRoD, it's fine it's in warranty! RRoD, pshaw, just send it in!
No, just simply no.
Now please note, this isn't restricted to the 360. If my PS3 had broken down 3 times (depending on how far away the break downs were), Sony would lose a loyal customer. One time, okay, things happen. Second time, fine, it's covered in warranty, and things do happen. Third times the charm, you're out of here, I should not have my console break down 3 times in 3 months.
You are the customer, you should not be expecting your console to break down on you. That should be the least of your worries. If you're expecting your console to get the equivalent of a deadly disease, then you know that something is wrong.
EDIT: I'll admit though, I'd probably be a hypocrite and get my PS3 sent in for a 4th time
I believe you also forgot another "minor nuisance" Don't you have to pay for online? while your xbox is shipped away and you are awaiting a new one, isn't the money you paid to play Halo online slowly getting wasted? Does Microsoft give you extra days for free while you wait for a new xbox or no? That feels like paying monthly for an MMO just so the severs can go down for 2 weeks and they don't compensate for it.
Much like the Wii Mote and the Cube controller, The N64 controllers were "different". That said, they are still perfectly functional controllers that were easy to use on almost all games released for the system. You either used the stick, or the d-pad in rare instances and always the buttons. How does that equal 3 hand use?Pi_Fighter said:
Speaking only on what I know from owner experience here:
SNES: Nothing was wrong, this system was perfect.
N64: Expansion pack seemed a bit excessive. You buy a console so you don't have to upgrade it. If you have to add RAM, might as well just game on a PC. Also, the rumble OR Memory card kind of sucked.
PS1: Tiny sized memory cards, fragile systems that eventually break just from normal usage.
Gameboy: Nothing was wrong for the time. Later renditions rendered it obsolete, but it was great at the time.
Sega Gamegear: Talk about battery death. 6 AA's every two to three days, a week at most.
GBA: Needed a backlight. SP provided.
GBASP: The best of the gameboys. Lithium battery was a godsend.
Virtual boy: Gah! MY EYES! I CAN'T SEE RED!
Xbox: Original controller was a bit large. Otherwise it was a fine system.
PS2: Shoddy construction and design resulting in faulty systems all the way through the 3500X series (the last series produced before the ps2 slims).
PS2 slim: Fine, but it should have included peripheral support for the HDD they released for the PS2. Note that the PS2 had some of the best exclusive titles of it's generation.
Sega Dreamcast: Ahead of it's time. Controller weight was off, but a memory unit cured that. Button spacing was also a bit off, but not so much that it hindered gameplay.
Nintendo DS: Wonderful little device, dead pixel problem in first few batches as well as an "on or off" volume control and missing a headphone jack.
DS Lite: Better little device, I have no complaints.
Nintendo Gamecube: A notable lack of titles as well as a strangely proportioned button scheme and c-stick. What titles it had were it great.
Xbox 360: Following a page from the Sony PS2 handbook, Microsoft launched early and faulty. RROD's, lockups and slower framerates are common. If it didn't have the better games and exclusives (or at least earlier releases on a fair number of titles) it wouldn't be as popular as it is now. Still, a better game roster and lower price makes it the more attractive choice for "more than casual" gamers. 1 in 3 failure rate.
PS3: Wonderfully constructed system if only it had more games and more "good" exclusives. Price is also a bit to high and the removal of backward compatibility in the newer systems was not a good move if quality over quantity is the goal of your system. Sixaxis feels tacked on and detracts from the fun in each game it's implemented in. Also, first party VGA cables would've been nice.
Wii: Unique and quirky, but also lacking in good games that utilize the Wii's motion sense. Lacking in graphical department, but it makes up for it in other areas (like plain old fun). Too much shovelware though.
Yup
MS is a large enough corp with enough cash to ensure that this situation never had even a chance of happening in the first place.
Instead of sorting it with a fairly simply cooling solution they rushed the console through and then tried to claim ignorance of the flaw when it started to become apparent and no just because the extended warranty covers the issue doesn't make it better.
If I purchased a car that then went on to fail on mass because of a design flaw I would want the maker of that vehicle to arrange a pick up of my vehicle and give me replacement to cover me while they fixed my original car. I wouldn't want them to wait until the vehicle failed, then have me arrange for them to collect the vehicle and leave me with nothing while they fixed it.
We'll never get a real cost of how much it has cost MS to replace or repair these 360s. To do that they would actually have to release official figures on just how many 360s have failed. I am willing to bet though that as a factor the 360 RROD is probably one of the most expensive screw ups in console history.
Three hands are necessary to be able to reach all the buttons, the stick and the d-pad simultaneosly.jthm said:
ANTI-SANTA said:Second that. I had the RROD a few months ago, but I got it fixed and bought a colling fan. No chance of it happening again. Mainly because I moderate myself, no more 16 solid hourse of Fable 2 for this gamer.MarcusD357 said:
Fable 2 killed my xbox
Don't they say not to buy any cooling items for 360s? I've heard several times that they aren't recommended by Microsoft, that they aren't distributing the parts themselves, and that they do more harm than good. Anyone know if it's true?
The controls.MarcusD357 said:
Ok, they're more simple thus better at certain genres than a keyboard/mouse combo. But exactly because it's so simple, it's also just too... simple. You can't do too much in a game, or add too many buttons on a controller, or it becomes just a controls clusterfuck.
Remember the NES? You know, just A and B button, with a D-Pad. Nowadays controllers have up to 3 pairs of shoulder buttons.
It's a flaw, but it's also one of their many strengths. I myself just use a gamepad for certain genres, keyboard/mouse for the typical PC games. Naturally.
Red Ring of Death - haven't stopped people from buying x360. No matter how crappy hardware of console is, someone will buy it.Pi_Fighter said:
Ok, the Wii and 360 have been beat to death on this thread. What about the other consoles? The PS3 isn't the pinnacle of perfection either you know. I hate the touch sensitive power and eject buttons on the PS3! What a useless gimmick. Sometimes, when I'm trying to eject a disk, I touch the flat area a fraction of an inch too close to the power symbol and the PS3 shuts off. Other times, the "buttons" don't seem to be sensitive at all and you feel like you are having to squeeze the ledge they are on to get the system to shut off. I also hate the "scratch proof" Blu Ray discs. They are not scratch proof by any means. Yet when they do get scratched, you can't buff them without messing up that coating and making matters even worse.
The only reason the 360 scratches discs is because either you are sitting the system on its narrow end or you are messing around with the console while it's spinning discs. You can get the PS3 to do that too if you bump the console enough while a disc is spinning. The Game Cube and PSOne are the only disc based consoles to get it right (their disc spindles had ball bearings to hold the discs solidly in place while playing, not stupid magnets that can't hold the discs worth beans).
Another stupid "feature" of the PS3 (yes, and the Wii has it too) is the slot loader. I hate having to shove the disc into the slot and watch the console drag the poor thing in. Talk about a scratch waiting to happen. If you don't insert the discs just right (and what little kid even trys to), you wind up scratching the heck out of your discs by just loading them. As long as we're talking disc loading, just about all computers and consoles seem to be designed to scratch discs. Even the ones with disc trays like the Xbox, 360 and most computers have sharp edges on the inside of the tray. What for? So you can scratch your disc if you don't line it up perfectly with the indentation in the middle?
I work at a store that sells and buys new and used games and consoles. Let me tell you, no console is perfect. We see every make of console and the games for it come in for repairs. When it comes to fixing scratches in discs, we see the fewest ones for PS3, but when we do see them, they are almost always a lost cause as I said before, due to the "scratch proof" coating that you can't buff. About 99% of the time, when we get discs with the ring scratches on them (for any console, not just 360), the customer will admit that they tried standing the console up on it's side.
That's probably the biggest marketing screw up in video game history. Why do they show the consoles standing on their sides? It ruins discs and will eventually ruin the console. Maybe it's an evil scheme to get gamers to stand their consoles on their ends so their games and systems won't last as long and they'll therefore have to buy even more of them.
The only reason the 360 scratches discs is because either you are sitting the system on its narrow end or you are messing around with the console while it's spinning discs. You can get the PS3 to do that too if you bump the console enough while a disc is spinning. The Game Cube and PSOne are the only disc based consoles to get it right (their disc spindles had ball bearings to hold the discs solidly in place while playing, not stupid magnets that can't hold the discs worth beans).
Another stupid "feature" of the PS3 (yes, and the Wii has it too) is the slot loader. I hate having to shove the disc into the slot and watch the console drag the poor thing in. Talk about a scratch waiting to happen. If you don't insert the discs just right (and what little kid even trys to), you wind up scratching the heck out of your discs by just loading them. As long as we're talking disc loading, just about all computers and consoles seem to be designed to scratch discs. Even the ones with disc trays like the Xbox, 360 and most computers have sharp edges on the inside of the tray. What for? So you can scratch your disc if you don't line it up perfectly with the indentation in the middle?
I work at a store that sells and buys new and used games and consoles. Let me tell you, no console is perfect. We see every make of console and the games for it come in for repairs. When it comes to fixing scratches in discs, we see the fewest ones for PS3, but when we do see them, they are almost always a lost cause as I said before, due to the "scratch proof" coating that you can't buff. About 99% of the time, when we get discs with the ring scratches on them (for any console, not just 360), the customer will admit that they tried standing the console up on it's side.
That's probably the biggest marketing screw up in video game history. Why do they show the consoles standing on their sides? It ruins discs and will eventually ruin the console. Maybe it's an evil scheme to get gamers to stand their consoles on their ends so their games and systems won't last as long and they'll therefore have to buy even more of them.
I don't own a 360, so what's the Red Ring of Death?
I'm expecting this question to appear on the "And the stupidest question award goes to..." forum sometime soon, as you all know the answer.
To contribute (Attempt to, anyways):
I remember the DS not being quite as cool as I thought it to be, though it was probably the games, not the DS.
Joos and BillyWentBoom covered them all already, so...
I'm expecting this question to appear on the "And the stupidest question award goes to..." forum sometime soon, as you all know the answer.
To contribute (Attempt to, anyways):
I remember the DS not being quite as cool as I thought it to be, though it was probably the games, not the DS.
Joos and BillyWentBoom covered them all already, so...
Not to be rude, but if you don't own a 360, then why are you talking about it like you're an expert? I'm assuming you read a lot about it?Pi_Fighter said:
What's wrong with the Square button?Anonymouse said:
Good to know, I should tell one of my friends because hes gone through 3 systems already, poor guy. But what I'm saying is that Microsoft themselves said not to buy those cooling things. Maybe it's just because they are afraid you will buy something that could destroy your system and be covered by warranty.ANTI-SANTA said:Kailias said:ANTI-SANTA said:Second that. I had the RROD a few months ago, but I got it fixed and bought a colling fan. No chance of it happening again. Mainly because I moderate myself, no more 16 solid hourse of Fable 2 for this gamer.MarcusD357 said:
Fable 2 killed my xbox
Don't they say not to buy any cooling items for 360s? I've heard several times that they aren't recommended by Microsoft, that they aren't distributing the parts themselves, and that they do more harm than good. Anyone know if it's true?
Um... No, its not true. The cooling fan makes the biggest of differences ever. My box DOES NOT get hot now, it makes a nasty grind noise when I leave the Xbox turned off for a bit but it stops in like a minutes and does nothing to negetivly affect the 360. When it comes to the Red Ring don't believe half of what you hear, alot of it is just PS3 fanboys trying to make the Xbox sound like a hunk of junk. Lying bastards.
I don't own a 360 myself because I could only choose one this generation due to the economy... I didn't just pick the PS3 due to the red ring like some seem to believe. I actually chose it for the free internet, rechargeable controllers, blu ray player, and because I happen to be a big Metal Gear and Disgaea fan (both are PS3 exclusive unfortunately.). I do think the 360 is good system, just not EXACTLY want I wanted. It's kinda hard to find people with an opinion like mine because they all seem to think their's is the best and no one can say otherwise.