Bigots, and their reasoning

[Vault101]

theres sort of two points here

one thing I kind of noticed with people that have "unpopular" opinions (sexist, racist, dogmatic)is that they often argue points "around the issue" rather than the issue itself

[i/] "I'm just being attacked because my veiw is unpopluar!" [/i]

[i/] "see!? this is Political correctness gone mad! your all politically correct thourght police!" [/i]

or to be more specific

[i/] Marrage is "defined" as a union between a man and a woman..it says so right there in the dictionary, therefore gays cant get married..why? because you CANT change the dictionary or the meaning of words...the universe will implode in a logical paradox! [/i] <- gay marrage aside the point there is that they are basing their argument of arbitraiy bullshit...but anwyay

the other thing, coming from that incident involving that female player in that fighting game tournament being harrased by the guy (with the beard) in his defense he said somthing along the lines of

[i/] "thats just how it is....this is OUR thing, a place where we can just "be ourselfs" *or some crap like that* [/i]

[b/] now on one hand I would call bullshit, as bob said "ITS NOT OK" no matter the context, again its a similar argument as above. They like to play the "victim" card "this is ME you are attacking ME"

BUT on the other hand, can you really force morality on other people? morality is not set in stone, it might be the same as forcing your belifs on somone, no matter how misguided or "unpleasant" are thease peopel entitles to have and express their veiws? [/b]

 

[TakeyB0y2]

The way I see it, the reason they argue around the issue is because they caught their logic in a black hole, and just don't want to admit they have an argument. They are so set in stone about their beliefs that they see any opposition as a threat to their way of life, even if they can't think of a proper reason to believe what they believe. Maybe that's just because you don't really NEED to have a reason to think the way you do, but when you're going about demonizing perfectly good people but can't back yourself up as to why you're doing such a thing, it's just... Gah!

 

[Comando96]

Morality? What is that?

You often find reasons for what people want to believe or think or say. There is some logic to it to them but not to others.

One fact is that people like to have their opinions codified. If they imagine some factor makes them, them then they will defend it to the death as if they accept it they will change.

The ability to use logic often creates individuals who are "Moral Vacuums" but you tend to find that these individuals will be labeled as very moral people.

Voltaire: "I have no morals - and yet I'm a very moral person."

It's a paradox which challenges the notion of Morality saying that the previously Religiously codified morals are not moral and that morality is relative to collective beliefs weighed with knowledge.

Today, the more we use logic (and science) we see no reason there should be; racism, sexism, homophobia but people without our notion of logic do not think as we do and have been brought up on some other form of Dogma, and to change that they must in fact change themselves... and who wants to change themselves when they do not see anything wrong with themselves but only others do?

You can always try to give people the ability to use logic, and then they can evaluate themselves and their beliefs but you can't forcibly change people as it's just impossible.

You can demonize people, you can insult them and you can even hurt them but you can't change them. You can only try to educate them. (or if they are a danger to the public you can lock them up)

 

[krazykidd]

But doesn't everyone have the right to believe what they want to believe ? If i want to believe gay marriage is wrong for example , isn't it my right to do so? As long as i am not going out of my way to crash gay peoples wedding i don't see why i shouldn't be allowed to be against it.

That goes for racism and sexism . I mean as long as i don't discriminate whats the problem? Don't we live in a democratic society where everyone is allowed to have their own views and debate on them?

Also morality is a made up thing to make people feel good about themselves

Note : i am neither sexist nor racist , nor am i against gay marriage .

 

[JimB]

But doesn't everyone have the right to believe what they want to believe?

Sure.

If I want to believe gay marriage is wrong, for example, isn't it my right to do so?

Sure. And if you express that belief to me, it is my right to ask you to explain how you define the word "wrong" such that it applies to gay people marrying.

As long as I am not going out of my way to crash gay people's weddings, I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to be against it.

What exactly are you talking about here? Someone who is opposed to gay marriage but never says so, never does anything about it, never exerts either social or political pressure to make his viewpoint dominant?

That goes for racism and sexism. I mean as long as I don't discriminate, what's the problem?

It is stupid, dishonest, and offends me intellectually.

Don't we live in a democratic society where everyone is allowed to have their own views and debate on them?

Last I checked, but I live in the United States of America. I have no idea where you live. The rules might be different there.

Also, morality is a made up thing to make people feel good about themselves.

You are going to have to back this statement up with something if you want anyone to agree with it.

Note: I am neither sexist nor racist, nor am I against gay marriage.

Okay.

 

[BabyRaptor]

But doesn't everyone have the right to believe what they want to believe ? If i want to believe gay marriage is wrong for example , isn't it my right to do so?

People have the right to believe whatever they want to believe. The problem is when they start using those beliefs to justify hurting others, or to deprive them of rights.

If someone wants to believe that gays are an abomination, or abortion is murder, or black people are naturally inferior, or women are supposed to be property...That's fine. They can. But there's no actual proof for it.

So those beliefs should not be allowed to dictate other peoples' lives.

And often, people who try and use the flimsy "My beliefs say so" excuse for being...Socially backward...Will resort to playing the victim when asked to back up their talk. I think that is the OP's greater point.

Disclaimer: I believe exactly none of the stuff listed above. They're all examples pulled from people I live around.