BioWare: Activision Threat to Pull PS3 Support Is "Silly"
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I patiently saved my money up and spent $600 on my PS3, yet I'd hardly call myself "rich". I got my HDTV through human error when it was originally priced at $750 but I got it at $300, I'd call that luck. Why is it that hard to assume that the people who bought a PS3 saved up for it? Oh, that's right, because it's easier to act as if they're the "Rich" guys and act as if you're the poor "victim". Get a job, save up, don't spend your money recklessly, and you can have a PS3 by the end of the month depending on the job.VoidProphet said:
If you want to buy a PS3, save up, it's that simple. No use whining about the price because it's not going to magically do that. Either wait for a price drop patiently, or patiently save up money to get a PS3. Simple as that.
Blu-ray is a step in visual medium, whether a new format comes around the corner is a different matter entirely, but the only way you can deny that Blu-ray is superior to DVDs is if you don't know anything about it, if you don't have a good enough TV, and if you're blind. It's expensive, sure, but so are all new technologies at first. It may look "fine" to you, but that does not mean that Blu-ray doesn't have it's own advantages. We can only stay with DVDs for so long, it's time to move up to better technologies, of which Blu-ray is.
Bluray Disks 25GB per layer.Jumplion said:
DVD9 Holds 8.5GB (about 4.5GB per layer.)
1 Bluray Disk = 3 DVD 9 disks.
Producing 1 BD disk = Cheaper then 2+ DVD9s. Not because of how cheap each individual disk is, but how expensive it is to create the master disk. 1 BD master-disk much, much cheaper then 2+ dvd master disks. Specially considering that in the stamping they are only good for so many uses. >_> (If they are only good for 10,000 disks, you can see how the costs start to skyrocket)
Bluray Disks are more resilient to damage then dvd. Seriously, dvd you get SCRATCHES in the dvd drive! From dust! Bluray? Mine still look brand spanking new.
Why are BD an important step into the next generation of gaming?
Each disk can hold more data, more data means, developers can spend less time compressing there games to fit on as few disks as possible. Ask any developer during the ps2/xbox era, what the biggest challange is, And that was putting all that shit, onto one disk. And its alot more complicated then the way you make your 'home movies' or 'data' disks that you store away your 'backup'. Disk drive run games, need to keep certain data located, I believe near inner ring for the faster 'read' times, and this data has to be the main 'engine' data. Other things like the 'actual game' is what gets loaded during yoru loading screen and buffered in the consoles internal memory. This is also another advantage to the Ps3, And its somethign no ones looking at.
Biggest problem with the PS2?
DvD drive. The first genereation of PS2's were considered Bricks, simply because they were about as useful as one after a few months of play. This was attributed to poor lasers, and the 'motors' that turn the disk. DVD's on orginal ps2's killed them. (PS2 games had a different coating and the lasers were supposed to read them. If you watched to many dvd's it screwed up the laser. This is why you could only play newer ps2 games, or dvds on your old ps2s cause the older games use that layer that it just can't read. Ironically it was blue.
Xbox had an issue with its disk drive to, If i'm not mistaken it had to do with the drive just, failing.
Every ps3 has a hard drive, that means they can 'buffer' that data ONTO the hard drive, meaning they can use the disk drive in the ps3 less! Means, the drives going to last alot longer!
Your hard drive? Well, those can last somewhere along 2-10 years, directly proportional to the porn you download onto it... Porn gums up the gears.
Does someone need to go back to school? It's called "saving up for a console". I'm sure you've heard it. It's where you gather a set amount of money over a period of time until you have said money. I'm sure even you can do that.VoidProphet said:
i will get to put you into a pile of fanboys but i also get to say you've never seen a blu-ray on a HDTV. saying there's no difference with blu-ray and dvd is much like snow tires. there is only 2 groups of people, those who have say there isn't a difference and those that say there is.VoidProphet said:
the difference between those two groups is the ones that say "there is no difference" haven't actually seen or used the product on used on the proper medium. the ones that say "you can easily see the difference" have used the products
actually there is also the fact that they own the rights to Spider-man and a lot of movies, so activision would also lose out on all those games they make that are ties for movies.Jumplion said:Even so, Sony still own many well known bands and songs like Ozzy Ozbourne and Blue Oyster Cult. Just check the list of songs in the guitar hero franchise, and look at the list of Sony owned divisions. If a band in the franchise has any deals with any one of Sony's music divisions (of which there are plenty), then that band is out of the franchise for good unless Activision puts support back to Sony.Sevre90210 said:
Besides, Warner Bros. and Universal don't have Hungry like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duran_Duran] the Wolf [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Records].
there is also the fact that Sony, Warner, Universal and such are a part of the RIAA and probly would also pull support for the Guitar Hero franchise as well
it really is a very short sighted and silly of him to say they'll pull support for the ps3
Well in contrast to what Activision said, I say consoles would sell more if the prices of games were cheaper. I have no problem shelling out $400 for a console because it's a platform, but $60 for a game? It's much easier for to me not to buy games, and I think I'll start with Activision games.
Hmm, RIAA, I think I've heard of it but I'm not sure. Please elaborate on what the RIAA is.cleverlymadeup said:
EDIT: Well, I looked up the RIAA, though what does that have to do with Warner and Universal pulling out if Sony did? Elaborate on that please, I'd like to genuinely know.
they're one big trade group, basically a union for the music industry. so if one pulls support they could get everyone else to pull support from them as wellJumplion said:
the sad part is Universal sold of the Blizzard part instead of buying up activision, then they could have told him to just be quiet
Well, HD televisions are becoming much cheaper to manufacture, which makes it easier for the consumer to purchase and Blu-Ray is the video format for the new definition. It has nothing to do with Sony fanboys, it's the next leap in technology. Blu-Ray tech is already becoming cheaper, so manufacturing costs will go down and the consumer pays less.VoidProphet said:
DVD's weren't the bargain bin price they are now when they first hit the market. Besides, the marketing push for Blu-Ray is pretty huge outside of videogame forums. Maybe you just don't watch TV though, so you might have missed it.
After I made this comment, I left and did other nerdy things for a long period of time. I just wanna point out a few things and then let this thread die or get back on track.me said:
1. I didn't post this as a troll
2. I do, however, enjoy the vast amounts of fanboy rage it inadvertantly generated.
3. I don't own any 7th gen systems, I'm a PC gamer. However having played all three, I actually think they're about even: The PS3 is the best console, the 360 has the most games which interest me, and the Wii is incredibly fun if rarely challenging.
4. Of the 'points' the Sony fanboys made, only the above was reasonable, the rest missing the point or simply accusing me of being a gibbering idiot as that is the only way I could disagree with them.
4.5 I don't believe the one who called me a troll was a sony fanboy, just a net veteran.
5. I have no doubt that either of the other two fanbases could be riled up just as easily.
Why bring this up when the last post was made nearly 6 hours ago? Because I'm bored, and these good gentlemen deserve a response to their arguments.
Man I love Bioware, now if only they'd release Mass Effect for the PS3, then they'd be my favourite developer by an even further margin.
Hmm... As a ps3/360/wii owner, I actually feel for the Activision guy. Sony made a system that is hard and expensive to develop for that is also dead last in sales on the console market. I like my ps3 but it certainly doesn't the same sort of playtime the 360 does.
a lot of that was just tech talk... i'm still not gunna buy a xbox and a blu ray player.i don't play dvds enough for them to get scratched up. and basicly everytime i get and rrod i get a new xbox, hence, a new dvd player.SinisterDeath said:
Except that Sony already has not given Activision the rights to songs before. Case in point: Cult of Personality. Song owned by Sony, and apparently were asking for too much for it. So Activision went to the band themselves and got the song in anyway, rerecorded and remastered.Jumplion said:
Now granted this might not work with every Sony-owned song Activision would like to include in the next Guitar Hero should such an incident arise, but on the other hand the idea of a band having their own version of a song to get their own direct licensing royalties out of it is awfully tempting considering how ass-backwards the music industry is. This practice also isn't new as groups like Twisted Sister and The Sex Pistols have done similar things, though not specifically for Guitar Hero IIRC.
Sure, that's a possibility, I won't deny that. Though more and more bands are becoming sore over the Guitar Hero/Rock Band franchises for whatever reason (Jimmy Page anyone? (I think was his name)), and having a whole company deny songs would complicate things a bit more than denying one song.AceDiamond said:
Well so far the personalites that I recall stating their hatred for one or both are Jimmy Page (Led Zeppelin), Steve Perry (Journey), and most if not all of Nickelback.Jumplion said:
Now really the only tragedy here is Page. Perry's a liar because Journey songs have appeared as Rock Band DLC (although to be fair since he is no longer the frontman of the band he's probably lost some degree of control there), and Nickelback sucks so who cares what they think. So while I'm not saying that the artists expressing disapproval and refusal to have their songs included isn't a problem, it's not widespread yet. Heck if we can get songs by the Dead Kennedys into Rock Band/Guitar Hero, it sorta proves that everybody has their price.
Personally, I don't find it silly at all. This man has a slightly different form of foresight than we do. Many of us see popular franchises and things of that sort linked with Sony in some way. (Most notably Guitar Hero) But, despite Guitar Hero's immense populartiy today, it won't be popular forever, I reckon. No, I have a feeling that Sony is in a rut that it isn't going to get out of with the PS3. Not that they need to care much, the fools at Sony have a ton of other things going for them that they don't even need to care about how the PS3 does here, seeing as they are based in Japan rather than here in America. For the record, the 360 is doing horribly in Japan and the PS3 is king. Sony wasn't being stupid the way they handled the PS3, they didn't need the PS3 to do better than the 360 in America, they just need it to do okay.
Now, I am not saying Japan is a bigger market, but they are sizable. Plus, I could be totally wrong, but I think Sony is infinitely more diverse than Microsoft is. Microsoft tends to stick to software, mostly computers and things of that sort. They don't have to do other things, really. They dominate the computer market. (Though, now that Apple seems to be getting popular, they may need to diversify more.) Sony dabbles in just about everything that is entertainment. Electronics of all kinds, a record label, and more.
Althought I went on that strange tangent that seemed to contradict my point, I am saying that even though the threat isn't something Sony really needs to worry about, Activision may not need Sony either. While the Xbox 360 and the PS3 will be around for a while, and probably stay the way they are in terms of fanbase and sales, Activision may be able to easily say "Fuck Sony" and start doing their own thing, and Sony probably wouldn't even care. Even if they make it impossible for Activision to continue with what's popular right now (Guitar Hero), Activision will have other things to go to. There are bound to be things that they can publish that will be popular without Sony. And, it may prove to be a good move if Sony ends up being more trouble than it's worth with it's console prices.
Now, I am not saying Japan is a bigger market, but they are sizable. Plus, I could be totally wrong, but I think Sony is infinitely more diverse than Microsoft is. Microsoft tends to stick to software, mostly computers and things of that sort. They don't have to do other things, really. They dominate the computer market. (Though, now that Apple seems to be getting popular, they may need to diversify more.) Sony dabbles in just about everything that is entertainment. Electronics of all kinds, a record label, and more.
Althought I went on that strange tangent that seemed to contradict my point, I am saying that even though the threat isn't something Sony really needs to worry about, Activision may not need Sony either. While the Xbox 360 and the PS3 will be around for a while, and probably stay the way they are in terms of fanbase and sales, Activision may be able to easily say "Fuck Sony" and start doing their own thing, and Sony probably wouldn't even care. Even if they make it impossible for Activision to continue with what's popular right now (Guitar Hero), Activision will have other things to go to. There are bound to be things that they can publish that will be popular without Sony. And, it may prove to be a good move if Sony ends up being more trouble than it's worth with it's console prices.