We shall see with its expansion coming out and how GW2 and Secret World fair in te market.draythefingerless said:The WoW subscriptions will most likely slowly leak into one of these 3 overtime, and the tiranny of WoW over the market is on its twilight.Paragon Fury said:We all called it.
You can't charge a subscription for an MMO that is in every way inferior to WoW and expect it to work.
If it wasn't for the Star Wars brand, TOR would've been F2P 2-3 months ago.
GW2 could possibly get away with it, but part of their plan is to not have subscriptions anyway. TERA could last using a subscription model too, if they sort out their PvP and a couple other minor/important issues soon.
rcs619 said:That's why I've stuck with EVE Online myself. For all of it's flaws, and occaisional annoyances, it has legitimately tried to do its own thing, and not conform to the common rules and norms of nearly every other MMO out there. It doesn't have millions upon millions of subscribers, sure, but the player-base is generally passionate and the devs work closely with their players to provide regular patches and the twice-yearly free expansions.
For starters, and I'll say this until someone proves me wrong, but WoW is successful and as popular as it is... because people gold farm. Period. I think if you looked at who's playing the game, 1/3 are actually playing the game... maybe... and the other 2/3+ are farming.zacattack14 said:I've come to the conclusion that the only game capable of holding out a subscription based service in the mmo space at this point is WOW,and even they allow free-to-play up to a certain level now if I'm correct. I don't see this as a bad thing, but I do feel that Free-To-Play is going to become standard for most mmo's in the future.
the problem with Pay to Play is that you have to have the volume of content of Skyrim, With the Quality of TBC WoW, and you need the Perfect Storm. there is a game that will have all of that. That will be BLizzard's TITAN, whatever the hell that IP is. Otherwise, you have to have something original and a way to get people in. Guildwars does that, Tera doesnt, and there are inherent problems with GW2 that will cripple it till they are oblitorated. Tera may be highly sucessful, but it has its own problems, namely a high bandwidth requirementParagon Fury said:We all called it.
You can't charge a subscription for an MMO that is in every way inferior to WoW and expect it to work.
If it wasn't for the Star Wars brand, TOR would've been F2P 2-3 months ago.
GW2 could possibly get away with it, but part of their plan is to not have subscriptions anyway. TERA could last using a subscription model too, if they sort out their PvP and a couple other minor/important issues soon.
Except TERA is not highly successful at all, bandwith requirement or not.toapat said:Tera may be highly sucessful, but it has its own problems, namely a high bandwidth requirement
Blizzard dug themselves into a hole after TBC, the stats became too high, the challenges were lessened, and systems that worked for 70 levels turned sour. Sure, balance is better in WotLK and Cata, but that came at the cost of enjoyability. Without the challenge, the game simply becomes the same bore that every other MMO is, and with too much it becomes EQ, and if everyone is playing the same build, then the devs failed at justifying a spred of classes. MMOs all fall appart, but we wont know if blizzard can even keep its elephant from imploding until better data on Mists comes out.PercyBoleyn said:Yeah, I wouldn't bet to much on Titan considering Blizzard's decision to casualize World of Warcraft to the point where it had to offer free copies of Diablo 3 just to curb the number of players leaving.toapat said:the problem with Pay to Play is that you have to have the volume of content of Skyrim, With the Quality of TBC WoW, and you need the Perfect Storm. there is a game that will have all of that. That will be BLizzard's TITAN, whatever the hell that IP is.
i was factoring in the fact that Tera's playerbase couldnt fill a respectable thimble because of how badly anyone expected people to be able to enjoy a twitch game as an MMONoxogz said:Except TERA is not highly successful at all, bandwith requirement or not.toapat said:Tera may be highly sucessful, but it has its own problems, namely a high bandwidth requirement
As I said before in this same thread, TERA barley sold 200k copies and that's counting both NA and EU sales.
Hell Rift has more subscribers than TERA has sold copies and Rift barley has enough subscribers to not be forced to go F2P.
Unless TERA gets a huge influx of people right the fuck now, it's gonna go F2P sooner rather than later.
Capitano Segnaposto said:I have yet to find one game that does "Free-To-Play" right. It always ends up as "Free-To-Pay" instead. Even LOTRO or D&D didn't do it right. I don't want to pay to get the good stuff, or have to pay to unlock certain areas. I want to pay a set amount each month for EVERYTHING. Not have content stripped away to have to pay for.Waaghpowa said:As much as I enjoy SWTOR and continue to play it, the whole MMO genre is getting tiresome. I can't even find enjoyment from WoW anymore, and this is coming from someone who has played the same character on the same server since the original release day.
Monthly subs in general really need to go, or at least reduce the cost.
I feel like TF2 does a good job in that department. Most of what players spend money on is purely cosmetic.Capitano Segnaposto said:I have yet to find one game that does "Free-To-Play" right. It always ends up as "Free-To-Pay" instead. Even LOTRO or D&D didn't do it right. I don't want to pay to get the good stuff, or have to pay to unlock certain areas. I want to pay a set amount each month for EVERYTHING. Not have content stripped away to have to pay for.Waaghpowa said:As much as I enjoy SWTOR and continue to play it, the whole MMO genre is getting tiresome. I can't even find enjoyment from WoW anymore, and this is coming from someone who has played the same character on the same server since the original release day.
Monthly subs in general really need to go, or at least reduce the cost.