BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

[ElPatron]

Am I the only one that remembers expansion packs as a 15-20? pack of content that gave you a whole new aspect of the game, a metric ton of new weapons/factions/units/maps, most likely a new campaign that lasted 6-10 hours (or even 40-60 hours if we talk about RPGs) and all of that jazz?

Now they expect us to shell out half of that money (because $10=10?=10£, apparently) for crumbles? I mean, cosmetic items? A character? A mission? Few weapons?

Woop-pe-ti doo!

 

[nilus2k]

This all seems rather silly to me. Why does it matter when DLC comes out. If it comes out at release people complain. If it doesn't come out quick enough people complain. If it never comes out people complain.

The fact is that if this was released 2 months later most of you would buy it without a 2nd thought. So its not in the base game, which means you don't need it to play or win or anything. Its an add on. Take it or leave it.

In fact you guys should be happy you can buy it for 10 bucks at all. They could have really screwed us all and just made it exclusive to the CE owners.

And I just called Gamestop. The guy said you can't preorder the CE anymore but they always get extra ones at launch that they offer to people who want to upgrade there regular copies. If you really want the CE then hit the midnight launch and get it.

 

[Mikeyfell]

Hey I learned something about Day 1 DLC!
I was always on the pro side of the day 1 DLC debate but now it just makes since and seem less like a soulless attempt to ring more pennies from us. It still does, just less so now that I know how it works.

Still, it should be free with all new copies.
Reward your fucking customers EA, not just the ones that shell out the most money.

 

[anthony87]

I can't help but wonder how many legs have been broken due to all these knee jerk reactions...

 

[Mikeyfell]

$10 is not that high of a price to ask, I can get a hamburger to $10, does that mean my hamburger has to have at least 1/6th of the enjoyment of ME3?

Some kind gourmet restaurant might have $10 burgers,but if you went to In-and-Out you can get a double double for 3 bucks.

That's 20 double doubles for the cost of Mass Effect 3
That could get you as much enjoyment as Mass Effect 3

 

[Smurf McSmurfington]

OOOh bad wording there buddy. saying only loyal fans buy the CE....not good move.

if the prothean is in the regular game, and the only thing the DLC does is him being able to be a part of your squad and some NormandyCrashSite-esque visit to Eden Prime, then im ok. if he is not in the regular game at all, and the CE people get a fully functional prothean, with DIALOGUE, insightful interaction and a HUGE point to the Mass Effect experience, then people are right to be mad.

Yep, prettymuch this.

I'm pretty sure most if not all of us were under the impression, that the Prothean simply didn't exist in the full game and that we'd never get to see what the protheans look like if we don't buy said DLC.
If this is indeed true, that said character is in the game, just not available as a squad mate, then it's pretty reasonable tbh.

So yes, basically if this is the case, then it's another example of a lack of information causing needless panic.

 

[Guardian of Nekops]

Ah well. I'm waiting until they offer it on Steam anyway... not being able to import my character from the previous two games because they want me to use their different service for this one game is something I'm not willing to deal with.

Hopefully, by then there will be a package that includes some, if not all, of the DLC. And if they never offer it on Steam... well. I'm sure that other companies will be happy to take my money.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I just don't see why you couldn't have this if you just bought the game new it does not seem CE worthy to me just actually fucking bought the game nee worthy like in ME2. I would be behind Bioware 100% then.

 

[Zydrate]

Sounds reasonable to me. Personally, I'm not really sure what all the fuss is about, especially considering we just got confirmation that the Prothean isn't directly relevant to the story (well, it is to the lore, but not the storyline).

I would have liked to have a Prothean in my game. Turns out I pretty much won't. So the fact that it's not in the main game saddens me a little.

 

[JasonKaotic]

Allow me to be one in many to call bullshit on this. If it's 'content you didn't finish in time' then you're still selling a half a game for full price and selling off the other half, and if it is 'content you didn't finish in time', make it free, you greedy morons. Either that, or the more likely option, it's not 'content they didn't finish in time' and in fact just them being wankers. The fact that BioWare is defending their actions makes me really doubt it is EA that's responsible for all their dick moves.

 

[AnarchistFish]

BioWare says the From Ashes launch-day DLC for Mass Effect 3 couldn't be included with the game because work on it didn't begin until the upcoming sci-fi epic was complete.

1. It obviously wasn't finished if they still had content to create.
2. Even so, why are they charging for it?

 

[Mikeyfell]

$10 is not that high of a price to ask, I can get a hamburger to $10, does that mean my hamburger has to have at least 1/6th of the enjoyment of ME3?

Some kind gourmet restaurant might have $10 burgers,but if you went to In-and-Out you can get a double double for 3 bucks.

That's 20 double doubles for the cost of Mass Effect 3
That could get you as much enjoyment as Mass Effect 3

if by gourmet restaurant you mean friendlies? You'd be hard pressed to find any meal at a restuarant for under $10, that isn't fast food.

It was just a joke, no need to drill me in economics over it.
A $10 burger is still pretty steep, but now that I think about it a $7 burger seems far more reasonable when it's not actually that far off from 10.
Usually when I go out to a restaurant I'm not getting burgers.

Why don't we just keep talking about Day 1 DLC?
Personally I like the concept, especially when it's used as an incentive to buy the game new, what Bioware is doing with this is more sketchy though.
I wonder if they didn't included it because they thought people would buy it, like people wouldn't have payed for Zaeed or Firewalker, so they gave them away for free.

 

[Ukomba]

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I miss the days when buying a game got you the game, not 9/10ths of the game with the option to pay extra for the rest (if you even "own" the games anymore, with EA I can never tell).

And why are people defending this? Even if you're okay with having launch day DLC you can't tell me you agree with how EA do it. Does anyone here even remember the Warden's Keep from DA:O? With the guy advertising the DLC IG after explaining the quest to you.

And as many others have mentioned they normally did this to encourage people to buy new...but this screws over anyone buying new unless they shell out extra for the "collectors edition". Say what you will but "normal editions" rarely have content cut specifically for the purposes of adding to the collectors edition]/i].

Please, ME3 fanboy sheep, grow a spine for once. You're the reason EA thinks this kind of crap pays.

I remember those days, Street Fighter 2 for example. If you baught the original game, then wanted to play as Balrog, Vega, Sagat, or M. Bison (4 character that already existed in Street Fighter 2), you had to pay full price to buy Street Fighter II: Champion Edition. Oh, and if you wanted faster game play, you had to buy the newer Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting, that came out a few months later for full price. Oh, and then they released 4 new characters not long after that, but to get them you had to pay full price to buy Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Ya, those were great days, weren't they? Buying the same game 4 times for what were essentially patches and DLC. Take off your Nostalgia Glasses.

The way EA is releasing this DLC IS fine, or are you going to seriously argue that people who pay more for a collectors edition of a game can't get extra content for that extra money? Not vital content, extra content that anyone can have if they just pay a few extra bucks. Don't want to pay it? Don't, it isn't required, the game certified with out it. I don't hear any bitching about not getting the mechanical dog on your ship that collectors edition people get, and that is exclusive.

Also, drop the 'I'm smarter than you' attitude when you're really just suffering from a pathetic entitlement mentality.

 

[Whateveralot]

I draw the line right here. You do not get to remove ESSENTIAL FUCKING content just to ship more fucking collector editions.

How is this essential? Does your computer / XboX360 not run this game without a Prothean squadmate?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Allow me to be one in many to call bullshit on this. If it's 'content you didn't finish in time' then you're still selling a half a game for full price and selling off the other half, and if it is 'content you didn't finish in time', make it free, you greedy morons. Either that, or the more likely option, it's not 'content they didn't finish in time' and in fact just them being wankers. The fact that BioWare is defending their actions makes me really doubt it is EA that's responsible for all their dick moves.

they never said it was content they didn't finish on time, they said it was content they didn't start till after the game was done.


Also even if it WAS content they didn't finish on time the removal of ONE squadmate =/= half the game missing as you so imply.

 

[Steampunk Viking]

I think this is the proper response for this:

*Snip the image!*

You. You sir. Are brilliant, that's exactly what I've been trying to explain. Thank you so much for this picture!

EDIT: I may also add, without this content, the game is still finished. let's look at Final Fantasy XIII-2 for a second - it ends with "To be continued" and the final part is paid for DLC. How did this slip through the chubby troll fingers?

 

[Sean951]

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I miss the days when buying a game got you the game, not 9/10ths of the game with the option to pay extra for the rest (if you even "own" the games anymore, with EA I can never tell).

And why are people defending this? Even if you're okay with having launch day DLC you can't tell me you agree with how EA do it. Does anyone here even remember the Warden's Keep from DA:O? With the guy advertising the DLC IG after explaining the quest to you.

And as many others have mentioned they normally did this to encourage people to buy new...but this screws over anyone buying new unless they shell out extra for the "collectors edition". Say what you will but "normal editions" rarely have content cut specifically for the purposes of adding to the collectors edition]/i].

Please, ME3 fanboy sheep, grow a spine for once. You're the reason EA thinks this kind of crap pays.

I remember those days, Street Fighter 2 for example. If you baught the original game, then wanted to play as Balrog, Vega, Sagat, or M. Bison (4 character that already existed in Street Fighter 2), you had to pay full price to buy Street Fighter II: Champion Edition. Oh, and if you wanted faster game play, you had to buy the newer Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting, that came out a few months later for full price. Oh, and then they released 4 new characters not long after that, but to get them you had to pay full price to buy Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Ya, those were great days, weren't they? Buying the same game 4 times for what were essentially patches and DLC. Take off your Nostalgia Glasses.

The way EA is releasing this DLC IS fine, or are you going to seriously argue that people who pay more for a collectors edition of a game can't get extra content for that extra money? Not vital content, extra content that anyone can have if they just pay a few extra bucks. Don't want to pay it? Don't, it isn't required, the game certified with out it. I don't hear any bitching about not getting the mechanical dog on your ship that collectors edition people get, and that is exclusive.

Also, drop the 'I'm smarter than you' attitude when you're really just suffering from a pathetic entitlement mentality.

Or you could not go to the worst example, and instead look at StarCraft or Age of Empires. StarCraft: Adds 3 new campaigns, new units, and new maps for $20 or so if I remember rightly.

 

[Ukomba]

BioWare says the From Ashes launch-day DLC for Mass Effect 3 couldn't be included with the game because work on it didn't begin until the upcoming sci-fi epic was complete.

1. It obviously wasn't finished if they still had content to create.
2. Even so, why are they charging for it?

1. Are you familiar with the words, "Feature Creep"?
If they were going to have it be part of the game at launch rather than DLC they would have had to hold off certification of the game until that section was completed, pushing back launch. Then you'd get your precious From Ashes, but as they're going to the certification process, some group would have stared working on DLC, possibly finishing it before Certification and we'd be right back where we started with people bitching it isn't in the game.
2. Because it costs money to create content, might as well ask why all dlc isn't free, or why you don't get the collector edition mechanical dog in the standard edition. While you're at it, complain to airlines that your coach ticket doesn't get you first class seats. e_e

 

[SajuukKhar]

I see we have a bunch of newshits derailing the issue. All of you are so misinformed. You guys are acting like headless chickens again. I don't care how much you want to think otherwise, if you are actually considering half the wonky shit that comes out of Casey Hudson's mouth, than you are a sheep.


PR Team is meant to lie to you, what they say about "loyality" and "rewards" are just bullshit phrases to get you to spend money. TRUST ME, A REWARD DOESNT COST EXTRA MONEY. ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS? LOYALTY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT COPY you Buy, JUST A copy.


Honest to god, you guys really need to start thinking.
Reward = free
loyalty = irrelevant of which version you bought.


Stop taking this shit up the ass. exercise your brain for half a second you might see the god damn light.

We may be "newshits" as you call us but you are a paranoid, hyperactive, cynic who cant accept any view but his own as being the right one. funny how you insult us when your just as bad but on the exact opposite side of the line.

It also doesn't help that all your arguments are BASELESS CONSPIRACY THEORIES. the irony is almost thick enough to eat.

 

[Ukomba]

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I miss the days when buying a game got you the game, not 9/10ths of the game with the option to pay extra for the rest (if you even "own" the games anymore, with EA I can never tell).

And why are people defending this? Even if you're okay with having launch day DLC you can't tell me you agree with how EA do it. Does anyone here even remember the Warden's Keep from DA:O? With the guy advertising the DLC IG after explaining the quest to you.

And as many others have mentioned they normally did this to encourage people to buy new...but this screws over anyone buying new unless they shell out extra for the "collectors edition". Say what you will but "normal editions" rarely have content cut specifically for the purposes of adding to the collectors edition]/i].

Please, ME3 fanboy sheep, grow a spine for once. You're the reason EA thinks this kind of crap pays.

I remember those days, Street Fighter 2 for example. If you baught the original game, then wanted to play as Balrog, Vega, Sagat, or M. Bison (4 character that already existed in Street Fighter 2), you had to pay full price to buy Street Fighter II: Champion Edition. Oh, and if you wanted faster game play, you had to buy the newer Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting, that came out a few months later for full price. Oh, and then they released 4 new characters not long after that, but to get them you had to pay full price to buy Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Ya, those were great days, weren't they? Buying the same game 4 times for what were essentially patches and DLC. Take off your Nostalgia Glasses.

The way EA is releasing this DLC IS fine, or are you going to seriously argue that people who pay more for a collectors edition of a game can't get extra content for that extra money? Not vital content, extra content that anyone can have if they just pay a few extra bucks. Don't want to pay it? Don't, it isn't required, the game certified with out it. I don't hear any bitching about not getting the mechanical dog on your ship that collectors edition people get, and that is exclusive.

Also, drop the 'I'm smarter than you' attitude when you're really just suffering from a pathetic entitlement mentality.

Or you could not go to the worst example, and instead look at StarCraft or Age of Empires. StarCraft: Adds 3 new campaigns, new units, and new maps for $20 or so if I remember rightly.

That's a difference between Console games and PC. If you wanted to release those those packs for PS1 or N64 it would have required the creation of a new cartridge and paying full price. PC has always had a little better track record for expansion packs. PC gaming in the mythical good old days was far rarer than now, and it's not that common now so isn't a terribly good example.