BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC
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You are aware Zeel that Bioware specifically said that the leaks were old an do not represent the final version of the product and looking through them and the DEMO THERE ARE DIFFERENCES.
but I guess thats ANOTHER lie also right?
but I guess thats ANOTHER lie also right?
Fuck man, how were we so blind?animehermit said:Daystar Clarion said:
I CAN SEE IT ALL
Wha- What's this on the back of my head?
Oh my god...
It's a control chip! And what's this writing on the side?
Electronic Arts?
Valdus said:
Well there's your problem! You're a debbie downer. You're not getting 9/10ths of the game. You're getting 10/10ths. And when you buy the DLC, you have 11/10ths. That's right... Bioware is cranking it to 11.
*ahem* Putting aside your baseless jabs, the whole thing is incredibly simple. It's been stated several times, but there is a gap between completing the game and it showing up on shelves. Instead of moving the design team off to something else, they started work on DLC. Nothing was CUT from the game. It just doesn't work like that.
The team busted hump, and in the time it's taken the game to go gold, they were able to fully realize the DLC to completion for launch day. They worked HARD so that we could have this. COULD they have waited a month after release before launching? Yes. BUT... I don't WANT that DLC a month after the game comes out and I've already beaten it. I want it DAY ONE. Thus, they release it the day it comes out so that we have it immediately. If anything, they should be THANKED for this extra effort.
I really don't see WHY this is such a problem with people, and I REALLY don't see why you think those of us who don't detest it are spineless sheep. You can disagree all you want, but for the love of all that is holy, please leave the nasty jabs at the door - nothing deflates an argument more than childish insults. I've seen you have very intelligent discussions in other threads; you are better than judgmental closed-mindedness.
I have no problem with people who don't support day one dlc. The solution is VERY simple. DO NOT BUY IT. For those of us who see NOTHING wrong with it, just let us buy it and enjoy it in peace. Why is that so hard??
Aside from the revelation in the second game that the Collectors were the Protheans, there wasn't that big a mention about them as far as I recall.Zeel said:
Sure in the first game you were led to believe that they were hugely important but then you find out that pretty much everything that was thought to be developed by the Protheans was actually made by the Reapers as part of their cycle of encouraging life and then destroying it.
Huh, guess I'm not the only one who thinks so.tony2077 said:
And just watch the Prothean character prove to be another Zaeed: honestly kind of irritating and useless. That would be simultaneously kind of depressing and incredibly funny. But honestly I think we're going to have to wait the couple of weeks or so until release to figure out exactly what's up with the character. Most argument right now is based on speculation that because it's a prothean it's gonna be incredibly important. I would honestly be just as happy if the DLC squadmate was from some other culture that we don't know much about. I'd love to see a Hanar, Elcor, or Volus squadmate as well, just because those are cultures that I'm somewhat less familiar with than, for example, Turians or Asari.
That being said, when I first heard about the prothean squadmate, my primary reaction was sadness. "Really, Bioware?" I thought, "You guys are making time travel a thing in Mass Effect 3?"
That being said, when I first heard about the prothean squadmate, my primary reaction was sadness. "Really, Bioware?" I thought, "You guys are making time travel a thing in Mass Effect 3?"
but will that lore change how the game ends i doubt it unless like i said they have a deus ex machina hidden some where that only he knows about but since we don't have the full game i doubt you'd know everything unless your a time traveler tell me how its done nah just give it to meZeel said:
How exactly are the Porhteans so FING important again?
Lets see they
1. Died
2.Sucked so hard at math that they couldn't estimate how long killing off their civilization would take and thus didn't give Vigil enough batteries to keep their people in hibernation alive.
3. Built the ONE TIME USE conduit that almost let the badguys win
4. changed the keepers signal delaying the Reapers for about a month or two
Not a whole-fng-lot if you ask me.
Anyone who thinks the Protheans are these giant technological badasses who could save the day, and are not just like every other race before them and after them clearly either
A. hasn't played the game
B. Didnt pay attention.
there is even a conversation at the end of Mass effect 1 were your squadmates even talk about HOW FING NORMAL THE PROTHEANS REALLY ARE.
Lets see they
1. Died
2.Sucked so hard at math that they couldn't estimate how long killing off their civilization would take and thus didn't give Vigil enough batteries to keep their people in hibernation alive.
3. Built the ONE TIME USE conduit that almost let the badguys win
4. changed the keepers signal delaying the Reapers for about a month or two
Not a whole-fng-lot if you ask me.
Anyone who thinks the Protheans are these giant technological badasses who could save the day, and are not just like every other race before them and after them clearly either
A. hasn't played the game
B. Didnt pay attention.
there is even a conversation at the end of Mass effect 1 were your squadmates even talk about HOW FING NORMAL THE PROTHEANS REALLY ARE.
1. Please classify "HIGHLY RELEVANT CONTENT". Since you can play the entire game with out it, it's impact on the story has to be minimal at best. If you've played ME2 with and without Kasumi and Zaeed you'll see exactly how it works. Even the Shadow Broker or Arrival DLC which was far far more important to the story than Kasumi or Zaeed didn't effect the game outside of the DLC pack. I wouldn't call any ME2 DLC Highly Relevant, more like cool side missions. But yes, you could have gotten the content free. You could have gotten the Kasumi dlc free, or the Shadow Broker, or Arrival. Do you want to complain about those too?Zeel said:
2. BS! How can anyone take you seriously if you're going to make a statement like that. Any work has a cost to it. Lets just go with your assertion that they get paid for that time regardless if they do work. They could have put them on a project that could generate them money, rather than a free at launch dlc. It's an opportunity cost at that point because you're loosing man power to work on something that won't make you a dime for any new game purchases.
3. Really? There are a lot of games now that have a "Coach" or "basic" version. Any game with a Pre-Order Bonus has it, any game with an expansion pack or DLC you have to pay for has it. The whole FTP Micro transaction thing is essentially this. If you want to force developers to only have 1 version of a soft ware, the result will be the death of the game at launch. If a developer can't charge people more for new content then THEY WON'T MAKE NEW CONTENT. You might as well go cry to Blizzard that World of Warcraft is unfair because you only have the Vanilla box and you don't get all the content the people who bought the expansion packs have. Very few games have free expansions.
4. I don't want to pay more for games, but I do want more out of the games I love. I payed 60 dollars for ME2, and I got a full experience for it. I gladly paid more money to get the Shadow Broker when it came out. I gladly paid more money to get Kasumi. I gladly paid more money to get Arrival. If developers didn't have the option to charge for that extra content they wouldn't have made it and wouldn't have been able to play it. That's the thing, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY EXTRA FOR THIS DLC IF I DON'T WANT TO. Since it certified with out the content, it will play through fine without it. The game will play though just like ME2 did if you didn't buy Shadow Broker and Kasumi. Sure you miss out on those extra story elements, but it didn't change the game beyond Kasumi saying a slightly different line than Tali might have. I see no difference here. This new character and mission will not change the base line story, it will not change the games mechanics. I'm glad they're working on DLC and I hope they make more.
Now, where it would go to far is if, say, you needed Zaeede in order to access Kasumi's or if you needed fire walker to do shadow broker. At that point those dlcs become an integral part of the game and need to be given as free updates. So if From Ashes is required before you can play future game dlc, that will become a problem.
we're saying that unless you've never played the other ones that they do fuck all anymore since unless they have some great important message to give to you like the reapers weak spot or a dues ex machina they won't really add anything to the story other then holy shit one of you is still aliveZeel said:
And that should end the argument right there, folks. Unfortunately, it won't.animehermit said:Do I need to whip out the chart again? I do don't I.
In short you have no idea what you're talking about.
I know who the Protheans are. Heck, the set-piece conversation with the prothean AI was propably one of the parts I enjoyed the most of Mass Effect 1.Zeel said:
That said, I'll debunk the "leaks" when I play (and enjoy) Mass Effect 3, while you're still on forums, sobbing abouw how potentially broken the game could be. Heck, I agree with the most things about the importance of protheans in the overlapping storyline of Mass Effect. I must say that it's quite a big twist to deliver a living Prothean.
All that aside, you admittely base your statements on "factual knowledge" gained from LEAKS. First of: I never read anywhere that the storyline of Mass Effect 3 is broken without the prothean. If you think I missed out, provide me with a reliable source so we can talk on equal level. If you can't provide me with a reliable source, I assume that we read the same things about the DLC and you're just having a lively imagination.
Because what I've read is that the game was finished and completed, then someone came along and said "let's add an epic mission on Eden Prima where the commander discovers a living prothean which will then a squadmate with separate side-missions that don't affect the main storyline.". Something along that line, at least. That's what my reliable source tells me [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115997-BioWare-Defends-Mass-Effect-3-Launch-Day-DLC]. Oh and that source happens to be the company actually making the game.