BioWare Defends Mass Effect 3 Launch-Day DLC

[Tony2077]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

its a flamewar

 

[Ukomba]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Nooo, we're calmly discussing the socio-economic requirements of game production, and it's challenges in the frame work of the modern information age.

 

[anthony87]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Yeah...I know I should stop but it's too damn amusing.

 

[Erttheking]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Nooo, we're calmly discussing the socio-economic requirements of game production, and it's challenges in the frame work of the modern information age.

Oh, interesting, what is your conclusion so far?

 

[Tony2077]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Yeah...I know I should stop but it's too damn amusing.

i know its pointless but well it is amusing

 

[anthony87]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

its a flamewar

Is it really a flamewar if no one is taking him seriously and he just keeps getting madder and madder?

The end result is to have him burst into flames of anger.

Hence, flamewar ^_^

 

[Radoh]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

its a flamewar

Is it really a flamewar if no one is taking him seriously and he just keeps getting madder and madder?

I'm actually really kind of impressed by the whole thing.
Nearly four hundred posts in and almost all of them on ME3 and how it's Satan, constantly yelling and insulting and ignoring the burden of proof, yet he still isn't banned.

 

[Right Hook]

Damn, gamers will use any excuse they can to get mad about something, some people obviously aren't fans of Bioware if they let this misunderstanding that has been clearly explained stop them from playing the final game in an amazing trilogy. Don't play it, nobody cares, your gonna buy it a month from now anyway when your superior attitude wears off.

 

[Ukomba]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Nooo, we're calmly discussing the socio-economic requirements of game production, and it's challenges in the frame work of the modern information age.

Oh, interesting, what is your conclusion so far?

Well, as you can see, Zeel is using the popular "F*** EA" Gambit combined with the daring "U R stupid" rebuttal to a well crafted chart explaining the complicated process behind game development.

The debate has been seasoned occasionally with an in depth analysis of Mass effect lore, and a rousing round table on the game delivery system "Origin".

 

[The Pinray]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Nooo, we're calmly discussing the socio-economic requirements of game production, and it's challenges in the frame work of the modern information age.

Oh, interesting, what is your conclusion so far?

I think we've reached the conclusion that Zeel is our new favorite person. He's kind, intelligent, and always listens to reason.

His posts are now a guilty pleasure of some of us. It's about time someone dethroned eternalnothingness. :')

It's a good day for the Escapist.

 

[Loethlin]

I know you want every reason to disagree with me, but picking foolish fights is a bad way to do.

And here, I thought you're hopeless.

Now heed your own advice.

 

[Radoh]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

its a flamewar

Is it really a flamewar if no one is taking him seriously and he just keeps getting madder and madder?

I'm actually really kind of impressed by the whole thing.
Nearly four hundred posts in and almost all of them on ME3 and how it's Satan, constantly yelling and insulting and ignoring the burden of proof, yet he still isn't banned.

Mods must be asleep.

Yeah, that's not it at all.
I've been fascinated by this guy, I looked through his posting history, nearly every post I randomly selected was him yelling at some poor schmuck and ranting and raving, yet I could only find three that actually got modded, and they weren't any worst than the rest of his stuff.
This has been going on for days, I'm actually starting to suspect foul-play...
That's it! He's killing off the mods! Somebody stop him!

 

[Radoh]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Nooo, we're calmly discussing the socio-economic requirements of game production, and it's challenges in the frame work of the modern information age.

Oh, interesting, what is your conclusion so far?

I think we've reached the conclusion that Zeel is our new favorite person. He's kind, intelligent, and always listens to reason.

His posts are now a guilty pleasure of some of us. It's about time someone dethroned eternalnothingness. :')

It's a good day for the Escapist.

Too bad really, since Eternal isn't even around to defend himself against this upstart. Still, Zeel is burning way too hot and bright, he'll be modded out real quick with this attitude.

 

[Tony2077]

Aside from the revelation in the second game that the Collectors were the Protheans, there wasn't that big a mention about them as far as I recall.

Sure in the first game you were led to believe that they were hugely important but then you find out that pretty much everything that was thought to be developed by the Protheans was actually made by the Reapers as part of their cycle of encouraging life and then destroying it.

OHHHHHH aside from them being the main enemies in Me2, yeah their role was insignificant. I mean, we can word anything like that. Aside from Shepard being the protagonist, he/she isn't important. Aside the the reaper threat, the reapers aren't important. You don't have a point, if it can be summed up as "aside from this"

They either are important or they aren't.

Plus in 1, they started the game, with their prothean beacons, they ending their game with their overrides. Their role in Shepards' conflict is pretty damn signficiant.

See. THis is why I call some of you fanboys. here you are faced with the evidence and instead of just admitting that the Protheans are important you want to sideline the issue. Oh they are important for A and B. but eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything else, well. Sorry that doesn't cut it. if they are important to the story, then they are important.

Main enemies? I'd say that'd be the Reapers. The Collecters are essentially mooks for you to deal with.

Now if the dlc character was a Collector who somehow overcame his Indoctrination and joined you? Yeah, he'd be pretty damned important.

So going to ignore the entire post, are you. Its either important or it isn't.

Plus, yes main enemies. The Collectors kill you in the beginning. THey meet you on Horizon, they meet you on the collectors ship and then they meet you at the end.

That counts as the main opposition. I know you want every reason to disagree with me, but picking foolish fights is a bad way to do.

it doesn't really change the fact there controlled by a reaper the proof is at the end when the reaper releases the collector when they were no longer going to be any use to him so the reapers are the main enemy the collectors are just the annoying henchmen who were in the way. kind of like in the darkwalker series the beast was the enemy in the first book and the king stuff in the second book then in the last book they fight against the one whos behind it all

its the same as mass effect

saren and the geth in game one
collectors in game game two

and now the main threat the reapers in game three

 

[anthony87]

Aside from the revelation in the second game that the Collectors were the Protheans, there wasn't that big a mention about them as far as I recall.

Sure in the first game you were led to believe that they were hugely important but then you find out that pretty much everything that was thought to be developed by the Protheans was actually made by the Reapers as part of their cycle of encouraging life and then destroying it.

OHHHHHH aside from them being the main enemies in Me2, yeah their role was insignificant. I mean, we can word anything like that. Aside from Shepard being the protagonist, he/she isn't important. Aside the the reaper threat, the reapers aren't important. You don't have a point, if it can be summed up as "aside from this"

They either are important or they aren't.

Plus in 1, they started the game, with their prothean beacons, they ending their game with their overrides. Their role in Shepards' conflict is pretty damn signficiant.

See. THis is why I call some of you fanboys. here you are faced with the evidence and instead of just admitting that the Protheans are important you want to sideline the issue. Oh they are important for A and B. but eeeeeeeeeeeeeverything else, well. Sorry that doesn't cut it. if they are important to the story, then they are important.

Main enemies? I'd say that'd be the Reapers. The Collecters are essentially mooks for you to deal with.

Now if the dlc character was a Collector who somehow overcame his Indoctrination and joined you? Yeah, he'd be pretty damned important.

So going to ignore the entire post, are you. Its either important or it isn't.

Plus, yes main enemies. The Collectors kill you in the beginning. THey meet you on Horizon, they meet you on the collectors ship and then they meet you at the end.

That counts as the main opposition. I know you want every reason to disagree with me, but picking foolish fights is a bad way to do.

They're important.

They're not as important as you're making them out to be.

 

[JamesStone]

What the fucking-entitlement-FUCK?

I just don't have any words. I expected a much more rational response to this well written and rational news post. Really? "Sheeple"? REALLY?

God dammit.

Fuck that. Anyone who agrees with this practice is a brainwashed sheep with no independent thought.

No independent thought? Jesus fucking shit Christ of helldamnfuck. I'd say that not even reading the post and just mindlessly going with the crowd means not having independent thought. You seem to believe it means doing research, listening to the opinions of others, and then forming your own opinion, whichever it may end up being.

You'll probably react with a knee jerk and call me a brainwashed consumerist pig for daring to write this post, because you will have failed to notice that I haven't even yet given my opinion on this Day One DLC business for ME3.

Why the are you replying to a post about people who defend it, if you aren't one. What kind of loopy ass shit is that. If you haven't given your opinion on the DLC business. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU.


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You again. Quite nice to see you in Mass Effect 3 forums for a chan... oh, wait. Anyway, I was starting to get worried when you didn't awnser negatively to the last ME3 thread post. So here we go again.

So, if someone argues against badly presented standpoints, they must clearly be, stand for or believe in the opposite side of the argument? Really?

OT: I still rather not make a comment. First, we´ll see if this Prothean appears in-game, and if the only thing that this DLC does is to make him a companion. If so, just extra content Bioware decided to create and hadn't the time to put in the original game. Totally acceptable. If not, and this Prothean is, in fact, a completely new character, people have all the right to get mad. In that case it wouldn't be entitlement, but only in that case.

 

[The.Bard]

I miss the days when buying a game got you the game, not 9/10ths of the game with the option to pay extra for the rest (if you even "own" the games anymore, with EA I can never tell).

And why are people defending this? Even if you're okay with having launch day DLC you can't tell me you agree with how EA do it. Does anyone here even remember the Warden's Keep from DA:O? With the guy advertising the DLC IG after explaining the quest to you.

And as many others have mentioned they normally did this to encourage people to buy new...but this screws over anyone buying new unless they shell out extra for the "collectors edition". Say what you will but "normal editions" rarely have content cut specifically for the purposes of adding to the collectors edition]/i].

Please, ME3 fanboy sheep, grow a spine for once. You're the reason EA thinks this kind of crap pays.

Well there's your problem! You're a debbie downer. You're not getting 9/10ths of the game. You're getting 10/10ths. And when you buy the DLC, you have 11/10ths. That's right... Bioware is cranking it to 11.

*ahem* Putting aside your baseless jabs, the whole thing is incredibly simple. It's been stated several times, but there is a gap between completing the game and it showing up on shelves. Instead of moving the design team off to something else, they started work on DLC. Nothing was CUT from the game. It just doesn't work like that.

The team busted hump, and in the time it's taken the game to go gold, they were able to fully realize the DLC to completion for launch day. They worked HARD so that we could have this. COULD they have waited a month after release before launching? Yes. BUT... I don't WANT that DLC a month after the game comes out and I've already beaten it. I want it DAY ONE. Thus, they release it the day it comes out so that we have it immediately. If anything, they should be THANKED for this extra effort.

I really don't see WHY this is such a problem with people, and I REALLY don't see why you think those of us who don't detest it are spineless sheep. You can disagree all you want, but for the love of all that is holy, please leave the nasty jabs at the door - nothing deflates an argument more than childish insults. I've seen you have very intelligent discussions in other threads; you are better than judgmental closed-mindedness.

I have no problem with people who don't support day one dlc. The solution is VERY simple. DO NOT BUY IT. For those of us who see NOTHING wrong with it, just let us buy it and enjoy it in peace. Why is that so hard??

Because you're accepting Their explanation as the content as "extra". How is it extra, if the planning for and development of the prothean began way back in Nov/Dec. That is not "extra". Also, how is it "extra" when it doesn't cost them an extra dime? Its the same development cycle. I'm certainly not going to pay them more for ignoring the game and focusing on developing 'extra dlc's', when the game still could've been fleshed out more. is that what you are telling me? I should pay them more because they cut corners to spend more time developing extra content? surely you aren't telling me something so god damn foolish.

I guess sheep might be a bit strong, but seriously deluded is more accurate. Can you tell me what the difference between Bioware just calling something extra and it actually being an extra?

This should be fun, Zeel, given what level-headed member of the forums you've been today. As I mentioned above, a game design team has limits. Human body limits. Time limits. Money limits. They are given budgets and funding, same as all companies. Just because they came up with the idea in November does NOT mean it was ipso facto part of the original game, and until I see proof otherwise, this is a simple case of logic trumping conspiracy theories.

Oh, but it IS extra. It is a FACT that there is time between completion of the game and it arriving in our hands. They don't finish the game one day, press a button, and then it magically shows up in stores two hours later. It is highly feasible and completely logical to assume that as the team finished the game, they moved right on to DLC to avoid paying people to twiddle their thumbs or move to another project.

What I'm hearing from you is that they developed this DLC to completion, and then actively used employee resources ($$$) to remove it so they could sell it day one. And there is simply nothing that I have seen to support this being a feasible option. At best, they are spending money in employee time in order to try and sell it to make money.

Is it not possible that something close to the following occurred?:

1) Somebody came up with this in November, as you said. After throwing the idea around & realizing they didn't have time/money/bodies to complete it in time for the ship date, they opted not to work on it (along with a slew of other content ideas).

2) Upon completing the game, the now freed up team said "hey, remember that content we didn't have time/funding/bodies for back in November? Our team is now completely free, and making it paid DLC means we can justify the extra expense we're putting in to get it done."

3) They fleshed out and designed the entire DLC in the time since the game was complete, with approval coming from the estimated funds this additional content would bring in.


I guess what I'm saying is there are more than a few logical reasons to believe Bioware is being mostly - if not completely - up front about this. But I have seen NOTHING to support the latter argument, that they maliciously spent extra resources to cut something out that was already completed.

And no, delusional is NOT any better. It's still judging. My gaming time is pretty limited these days; Bioware is the one company left that I will buy from day one without reading a review. I will GLADLY throw my money at them as long as the enjoyment I get is worth my dollar. So until Bioware comes into your house and takes $10 out of your wallet at gunpoint, you have NO RIGHT to interfere with me (happily) throwing my money at them. It's as simple as that.

But I'm not even throwing money at them in this case, since I preordered the CE edition. As far as I'm concerned, this isn't even really paid DLC. It's a free addon to reward the people who bought the collector's edition. All of this you can - again- very easily boycott by NOT BUYING IT.

 

[anthony87]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

its a flamewar

Is it really a flamewar if no one is taking him seriously and he just keeps getting madder and madder?

I'm actually really kind of impressed by the whole thing.
Nearly four hundred posts in and almost all of them on ME3 and how it's Satan, constantly yelling and insulting and ignoring the burden of proof, yet he still isn't banned.

Mods must be asleep.

.....Post Ponies?

(God I hate myself for saying that...T_T)

 

[Radoh]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

its a flamewar

Is it really a flamewar if no one is taking him seriously and he just keeps getting madder and madder?

I'm actually really kind of impressed by the whole thing.
Nearly four hundred posts in and almost all of them on ME3 and how it's Satan, constantly yelling and insulting and ignoring the burden of proof, yet he still isn't banned.

Mods must be asleep.

Yeah, that's not it at all.
I've been fascinated by this guy, I looked through his posting history, nearly every post I randomly selected was him yelling at some poor schmuck and ranting and raving, yet I could only find three that actually got modded, and they weren't any worst than the rest of his stuff.
This has been going on for days, I'm actually starting to suspect foul-play...
That's it! He's killing off the mods! Somebody stop him!

Maybe HE IS A MOD??????

Dear Lord that was loud. You owe me a new pair of ears. And that isn't very likely, or he'd have that name-badge thingy.

They're important.

They're not as important as you're making them out to be.

Hey, out of curiosity, did he ever follow through on giving you that proof you asked for like three threads back?

 

[JamesStone]

Seriously guys? 500 posts? This is because of the flamewars isn't it?

Nooo, we're calmly discussing the socio-economic requirements of game production, and it's challenges in the frame work of the modern information age.

Oh, interesting, what is your conclusion so far?

That Zeel needs to release a lot of suppressed anger. Maybe EA murdered his parents. That's probably why he is acting so obssesive, posting in every Mass Effect thread just to say that he doesn't care or that it will suck.

Zeel, you need to let go...

...let go Zeel...