some jokes are pretty meh, but this one? gold, well done i sayGrey Carter said:Ah, sorry! I thought you were being sarcastic. Some people don't like that I usually close my news pieces with a joke.Zen Toombs said:Well, I was actually sarcastically referring to Bioware, but your comment was deserving of praise as well.Grey Carter said:Thanks, man. I try real hard.Zen Toombs said:Professionalism at its finest my friends.Grey Carter said:And with this, gentle readers, we have come full circle. Bioware is going to patch a book. It's now only a matter of time before they announce extra chapters as DLC.
Professionalism at its finest.
Whoa, way to generalize there. There have been some pretty decent videogame tie in books. Heck, the first Mass Effect book wasn't bad. It was a good intro to the universe even before the games came out and it gave us the backstory to Captain Anderson. And there have been other good ones too, like some of the Warcraft and Diablo books. Are these masterpieces by any strech? Hell, no! But do they all suck? No, as well.SurfinTaxt said:Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxesBeryl77 said:It's good that Bioware listen to the fans and also takes action but I doubt that a number of changes are enough. This "book" is an abomination. The only way to rescue it, means it has to be rewritten by some other writer.
It's not just the lore that has many holes.
The characters are destroyed. They act completely different than before for no apparent reason. Kai Leng, Kahlee Sanders and David Anderson will never be the same again unless the book is rewritten.
The story is often stupid and nonsensical not just because of the lore. Certain things that happen just don't make any sense.
The writing is just bad. I don't know why he wrote in such bad style, I've read another book by Dietz and that was at least average. Here he writes like he has never written a book before.
You can say that I exaggerate but I think that there are just too many things wrong with this book.
Still, I appreciate it that Bioware at least wants to change it. To be honest, I did not expect that to happen. I thought that they would simply wait until fans forgot about this.
Yes, it's a videogame book, that doesn't mean that there shouldn't at least be some amount of quality. If read a few videogame books which weren't bad, like the three Mass Effect novels before Deception. Deception is a book that I wouldn't touch with a 12 foot pole. "It's a videogame book" isn't an excuse for this atrocity.SurfinTaxt said:Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxesBeryl77 said:It's good that Bioware listen to the fans and also takes action but I doubt that a number of changes are enough. This "book" is an abomination. The only way to rescue it, means it has to be rewritten by some other writer.
It's not just the lore that has many holes.
The characters are destroyed. They act completely different than before for no apparent reason. Kai Leng, Kahlee Sanders and David Anderson will never be the same again unless the book is rewritten.
The story is often stupid and nonsensical not just because of the lore. Certain things that happen just don't make any sense.
The writing is just bad. I don't know why he wrote in such bad style, I've read another book by Dietz and that was at least average. Here he writes like he has never written a book before.
You can say that I exaggerate but I think that there are just too many things wrong with this book.
Still, I appreciate it that Bioware at least wants to change it. To be honest, I did not expect that to happen. I thought that they would simply wait until fans forgot about this.
I vaguely recall coming across the exception to that rule years ago, but I can't remember what it was for the life of me.SurfinTaxt said:Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxes
Could be worse, they could thread the game's story line into it so that certain junctures only make sense if you've read the tie ins, or introduce characters without any explanation as to who they are if you haven't read the book. I mean, Bioware would never do something like that to one of their franchises like Mass Effect or Dragon Age.SurfinTaxt said:Oh please dont think Im excusing this "atrocity" as you put it, I think book tie ins are just loathsome in general. All it ever amounts to is subpar filler, written so quickly and so lazily that they can be called nothing but a mainpulative cash grabBeryl77 said:Yes, it's a videogame book, that doesn't mean that there shouldn't at least be some amount of quality. If read a few videogame books which weren't bad, like the three Mass Effect novels before Deception. Deception is a book that I wouldn't touch with a 12 foot pole. "It's a videogame book" isn't an excuse for this atrocity.
Great.Grey Carter said:And with this, gentle readers, we have come full circle. Bioware is going to patch a book. It's now only a matter of time before they announce extra chapters as DLC.The teams at Del Rey and BioWare would like to extend our sincerest apologies to the Mass Effect fans for any errors and oversights made in the recent novel Mass Effect: Deception. We are currently working on a number of changes that will appear in future editions of the novel.
The first three, all by Drew Karpyshyn, are actually quite good. The pacing in Ascension (book 2) is a little off (it takes a long time to get going) but the story and character are really well done. Books 1 and 3 have better pacing and equally good stories.ChromaticWolfen said:Good to know. I had planned to buy some of the Mass Effect books in the future. Saying that I would have probably not noticed the errors.
That's the thing, the first three weren't bad. They were actually pretty good. Not great, but good stories about interesting characters doing interesting things. They had the feel of the Mass Effect games, and they provided back story and character development to Anderson.SurfinTaxt said:Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxes
I just had a moment to let that sink in.Grey Carter said:And with this, gentle readers, we have come full circle. Bioware is going to patch a book.
Why go read a pretty average book like Game of Thrones? Go read Foucault's Pendulum or The Name of the Rose. (You can see I'm a Eco worshipper.)SurfinTaxt said:Crimson_Dragoon said:Whoa, way to generalize there. There have been some pretty decent videogame tie in books. Heck, the first Mass Effect book wasn't bad. It was a good intro to the universe even before the games came out and it gave us the backstory to Captain Anderson. And there have been other good ones too, like some of the Warcraft and Diablo books. Are these masterpieces by any strech? Hell, no! But do they all suck? No, as well.SurfinTaxt said:Its a VIDEOGAME BOOK, Of course its going to suck! Even if it got everything right canon wise it would still suck! Videogame books just fucking suck and it will always be that way. Just like paying your taxesBeryl77 said:It's good that Bioware listen to the fans and also takes action but I doubt that a number of changes are enough. This "book" is an abomination. The only way to rescue it, means it has to be rewritten by some other writer.
It's not just the lore that has many holes.
The characters are destroyed. They act completely different than before for no apparent reason. Kai Leng, Kahlee Sanders and David Anderson will never be the same again unless the book is rewritten.
The story is often stupid and nonsensical not just because of the lore. Certain things that happen just don't make any sense.
The writing is just bad. I don't know why he wrote in such bad style, I've read another book by Dietz and that was at least average. Here he writes like he has never written a book before.
You can say that I exaggerate but I think that there are just too many things wrong with this book.
Still, I appreciate it that Bioware at least wants to change it. To be honest, I did not expect that to happen. I thought that they would simply wait until fans forgot about this.
Im sure there are some ok vg books, but why waste time reading an ok book? Go read game of thrones again, or a dance with dragons (You can tell Im a George rr martin worshipper).
VG books are terrible because they have to bring a writer in from the outside to write in most cases. They have to write in a world they didnt create, so it just feels alien