Birth By Sleep- Prob Spoilers

[ThatJoelGuy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7PuoYsOOOY

Well this hasn't shown up over here in NZ yet but i couldn't help it and wikied it.

Personally i thought it looks excellent and wondered what my fellow escapists thought.
Any thoughts, opinions and facts welcome.

 

[Space Spoons]

Honestly, at this point, I can't do much other than shake my head in disappointment at how ridiculous the story has gotten. I loved the first KH game to death, but it's been all downhill since KHII, and BBS looks like it's more of the same.

 

[ThatJoelGuy]

I thought this was some sort of weird fetish porn where babies are born while the woman is asleep. Then I clicked the link.

What a bizarre name for a game.

Yeah Sorry. Should have put the Kingdom Hearts part in.

Honestly, at this point, I can't do much other than shake my head in disappointment at how ridiculous the story has gotten. I loved the first KH game to death, but it's been all downhill since KHII, and BBS looks like it's more of the same.

I agree and disagree.

1 is clearly the masterpiece of the series and cleaver and innovative, but 2 wasn't all bad. The combat was a significant improvement and the organization were great in depth villains . Could have done without some of the other features though.

 

[NickCaligo42]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7PuoYsOOOY

Well this hasn't shown up over here in NZ yet but i couldn't help it and wikied it.

Personally i thought it looks excellent and wondered what my fellow escapists thought.
Any thoughts, opinions and facts welcome.

The gameplay is incredibly good. The battle system is spectacular; MILES ahead of Kingdom Hearts 2 or that DS game. If you enjoyed playing either of those, you'll probably love this.

The story is HORRIBLE. It's purile bullshit writing at its worst. The dialogue is awful, the cutscenes are really poorly directed and staged, and Terra's storyline is a REALLY LAME ripoff of Revenge of the Sith. It's saying something when you make Anakin look like an appealing, likeable, well-thought-out character.

Ven and Aqua are much better, mainly because 1) Ven actually interacts with some of the characters in the worlds that he visits where Terra finds them almost COMPLETELY empty save maybe one or two people, and 2) Aqua is the only character NOT trying to overcome painful, crippling retardation. Saying those two have better stories than him? Kinda' like saying the Super Mario Bros. movie had better writing than the Double Dragon movie, or that Chairman of the Board with Carrot Top was better than Bio Dome with Pauly Shore. It doesn't make a difference, the writing is purile bullshit all-around.

I'd recommend it because of the gameplay. The story, though... *shakes head* Square needs to fire their writers so badly.

 

[ThatJoelGuy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7PuoYsOOOY

Well this hasn't shown up over here in NZ yet but i couldn't help it and wikied it.

Personally i thought it looks excellent and wondered what my fellow escapists thought.
Any thoughts, opinions and facts welcome.

The gameplay is incredibly good. The battle system is spectacular; MILES ahead of Kingdom Hearts 2 or that DS game. If you enjoyed playing either of those, you'll probably love this.

The story is HORRIBLE. It's purile bullshit writing at its worst. The dialogue is awful, the cutscenes are really poorly directed and staged, and Terra's storyline is a REALLY LAME ripoff of Revenge of the Sith. It's saying something when you make Anakin look like an appealing, likeable, well-thought-out character.

Ven and Aqua are much better, mainly because 1) Ven actually interacts with some of the characters in the worlds that he visits where Terra finds them almost COMPLETELY empty save maybe one or two people, and 2) Aqua is the only character NOT trying to overcome painful, crippling retardation. Saying those two have better stories than him? Kinda' like saying the Super Mario Bros. movie had better writing than the Double Dragon movie, or that Chairman of the Board with Carrot Top was better than Bio Dome with Pauly Shore. It doesn't make a difference, the writing is purile bullshit all-around.

I'd recommend it because of the gameplay. The story, though... *shakes head* Square needs to fire their writers so badly.

That does sound a little bad, but doesn't the appeal of finding out the origins of the org strike any cords? In said trailer we see aqua fighting someone in the iconic organization robe who has a weapon that no member possesses. who is this? why are they fighting? And what about master Xehanort? even when roxas didnt know he was a keyblade master he could still call one so why couldnt xehanort after he lost his memory?

I know what you mean by anakin but there was a reason he was so hateful apart from bad writing it was meant to show you that Darth Vader wasn't all badass but actualy a whinny little ***** .

 

[NickCaligo42]

That does sound a little bad, but doesn't the appeal of finding out the origins of the org strike any cords? In said trailer we see aqua fighting someone in the iconic organization robe who has a weapon that no member possesses. who is this? why are they fighting? And what about master Xehanort? even when roxas didnt know he was a keyblade master he could still call one so why couldnt xehanort after he lost his memory?

I know what you mean by anakin but there was a reason he was so hateful apart from bad writing it was meant to show you that Darth Vader wasn't all badass but actualy a whinny little ***** .

1 - The Organization were Ansem's school chums. Except it wasn't really Ansem but some intern called Xehanort who got too close to the plutonium vat. We learned this in KH2.

2 - What we didn't learn was who Xehanort is or how he's connected with "Master Xehanort" from Birth by Sleep. Unfortunately, their connection is exactly what you'd assume it is. The story is precisely that predictable and contrived. Your question about why he can't use a keyblade is answered by the end, and it's a fairly plausible explanation, but there's another, better one: They're making this junk up as they go. They didn't know that Ansem was formerly a keyblade user when they made the first OR second games. *shrug*

In fact, that's the answer to most of your questions. Square doesn't know. If they had a grand plan, they abandoned it the minute they joined up with Enix and Yoichi Wada became president. His direction: KH must continue indefinitely no matter what, so make stupid plot twists that make no sense just for the sake of having them, and more importantly, so that we can spawn more sequels. He's sort of like the Japanese equivalent of Bobby Kotick, for those of you who don't know, and Tetsuya Nomura, among others of Square's senior staff, hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate him for the way he manages this stuff.

3 - The guy in the organization robe? Not a story character. He's an optional post-story boss the way Terra was in KH2: Final Mix, or like Xemnas in KH1: Final Mix. Probably a hint for KH3. Oh boy. They're going to drag this junk out and overblow it even more.

4 - The purpose of Anakin's story in the prequels was to make him seem like a tragic, sympathetic hero like Othello rather than the seething mountain of pure evil he is in the original films. However, he came off instead as a pathetic, self-centered jerk. That wasn't intentional, that was George Lucas's BAD WRITING going unchecked. Square failed even worse with Terra in this game, making him come off as having the worst judge of character you could possibly imagine. He makes Sora look mature, intelligent, and street-smart, often mistaking the likes of Maleficent and Captain Hook for innocent bystanders whom he must save. Yes, he actually mistakes the self-proclaimed MISTRESS OF ALL EVIL! as just another pedestrian, and that's taking into account the green skin, horned robe, yellow eyes and all.

 

[ThatJoelGuy]

That does sound a little bad, but doesn't the appeal of finding out the origins of the org strike any cords? In said trailer we see aqua fighting someone in the iconic organization robe who has a weapon that no member possesses. who is this? why are they fighting? And what about master Xehanort? even when roxas didnt know he was a keyblade master he could still call one so why couldnt xehanort after he lost his memory?

I know what you mean by anakin but there was a reason he was so hateful apart from bad writing it was meant to show you that Darth Vader wasn't all badass but actualy a whinny little ***** .

1 - The Organization were Ansem's school chums. Except it wasn't really Ansem but some intern called Xehanort who got too close to the plutonium vat. We learned this in KH2.

2 - What we didn't learn was who Xehanort is or how he's connected with "Master Xehanort" from Birth by Sleep. Unfortunately, their connection is exactly what you'd assume it is. The story is precisely that predictable and contrived. Your question about why he can't use a keyblade is answered by the end, and it's a fairly plausible explanation, but there's another, better one: They're making this junk up as they go. They didn't know that Ansem was formerly a keyblade user when they made the first OR second games. *shrug* In fact, that's the answer to most of your questions.

3 - The guy in the organization robe? Not a story character. He's an optional post-story boss the way Terra was in KH2: Final Mix, or like Xemnas in KH1: Final Mix. Probably a hint for KH3. Oh boy. They're going to drag this junk out and overblow it even more.

4 - The purpose of Anakin's story in the prequels was to make him seem like a tragic, sympathetic hero like Othello rather than the seething mountain of pure evil he is in the original films. However, he came off instead as a pathetic, self-centered jerk. That wasn't intentional, that was George Lucas's BAD WRITING going unchecked. Square failed even worse with Terra in this game, making him come off as having the worst judge of character you could possibly imagine. He makes Sora look mature, intelligent, and street-smart, often mistaking the likes of Maleficent and Captain Hook for innocent bystanders whom he must save.

1.The first five were yes and axel and saix were sneaking into the castle with the worst timing and roxas is obvious, but demynix, luxord, larxine, marluixa?

2. yeah fair enough

3.optional eh? possibly, don't really see where kh3 can go though. kh2 was fairly conclusive as barring malificant all villains perished.

4.yeah ill give you this one too

 

[NickCaligo42]

1.The first five were yes and axel and saix were sneaking into the castle with the worst timing and roxas is obvious, but demynix, luxord, larxine, marluixa?

2. yeah fair enough

3.optional eh? possibly, don't really see where kh3 can go though. kh2 was fairly conclusive as barring malificant all villains perished.

4.yeah ill give you this one too

1 - Just a bunch of guys who happened to become Nobodies. No, really, that's it. Didn't it strike you as kind of odd that Xigbar lent literally nothing to the plot in KH2, or that all the Org fights were clustered right at the end? It's a clumsy, padded list of bad guys contrived from a bunch of doodles that Nomura had laying around. I know where you're at, mate, I was you back in 2007, I wanted to think this stuff meant something and buy into the mystery myself, but there really isn't all that much meaning behind the elements in these games from 2 onward.

2 - Aye.

3 - Nope. Apparently killing Xehanort's heartless and his nobody both means that the original Xehanort is now back in action. There's also this (HUGE SPOILER):

Spoiler

[img src="http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/images/6/6a/X-blade_deflected.png" /]

... which is introduced (read: contrived) in this game.

4 - Indeed.

 

[LightspeedJack]

I thought this was some sort of weird fetish porn where babies are born while the woman is asleep. Then I clicked the link.

What a bizarre name for a game.

How is that porn? I mean just because someone finds something arousing doesn't make it porn.

OT: I love the KH series and am desperate to play it but unfortunately I don't have a PSP Hopefully I can borrow one of my friend though.

 

[ThatJoelGuy]

1 - Just a bunch of guys who happened to become Nobodies. No, really, that's it. Didn't it strike you as kind of odd that Xigbar lent literally nothing to the plot in KH2, or that all the Org fights were clustered right at the end? It's a clumsy, padded list of bad guys contrived from a bunch of doodles that Nomura had laying around. I know where you're at, mate, I was you back in 2007, I wanted to think this stuff meant something and buy into the mystery myself, but there really isn't all that much meaning behind the elements in these games from 2 onward.

2 - Aye.

3 - Nope. Apparently killing Xehanort's heartless and his nobody both means that the original Xehanort is now back in action. There's also this (HUGE SPOILER):

Spoiler

[img src="http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/kingdomhearts/images/6/6a/X-blade_deflected.png" /]

... which is introduced (read: contrived) in this game.

4 - Indeed.

1. that's a tad lackluster

3.Then the original master Xehanort was the "other" person that xigbar was refering to in KH2FM? the one that xemnas was chatting to in the room of awakening?