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I could understand die hard fans being a little ticked a black guy playing a white guy in the books/whatever. Just in the sense of keeping it true to the original stuff but it's not a huge deal.

It's like being pissed off that they put a ginger haired guy in, instead of blonde guy or something.

Just sounds really silly to me.
 

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Well that's unfortunate. I saw the film a few weeks ago with a friend, and neither of us being knowledgable about Marvel comics we both had a great time.

When it came to Heimdall I knew they'd gone off-canon with his skin-colour but beyond that the actor gave a genuinely good performance and he was a great character. I suppose at the end of the day skin-colour should be your last concern when seeing a super-hero action movie about sci-fi Norse gods, but oh well...
 

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The part that gets me is that Heimdall is the brother of Sif. You know the white girl with the sword and shield. Changing a well established character in both mythology and in Marvel comics for a movie is a very slippery slope and they should have expected a backlash. These characters have history that you need to respect. You shouldn't white wash a character or black wash one either and if you do at least keep it consistent. If Heimdall was black, Sif should have been cast black or at least mixed. The fact that Sif didn't try to convince her brother to let them pass was somewhat of annoyance as well. Obviously the writers and director didn't do their homework and the movie suffered a little because of it. The black guy who played Heimdall did a good job, I got a real good sense of the honor and some serious power rolling off the guy, but that doesn't excuse the changes. This was a pointless move that showed an extreme lack of tact on the part of the director.
 

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so, i just got back from seeing THOR, and it was soooooo amazing! Idris was fantastic as Heimdall, i can understand how diehard fans of thor would be upset about this but don't let that stop you from seeing it as well.
 

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Nerf Ninja said:
Canadish said:
One thing that's got me confused in this whole argument though...

I'm no expert on Norse mythology...but whats an Asian man doing there?
Just to touch on this. He's not actually Aesir, (The rest of the Asgardians are) he's generally drawn to resemble someone of the Mongol race. His homelands were destroyed and he found a new home amongst the Aesir.

Hogun (The Asian man) is an invention for the comics and not based on Norse mythology.
Well, as long as people are complaining... why the hell is Volstagg so thin? He should be morbidly obese, everybody knows that. Oh, and Fandral parts his hair on the right, duh!
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
Black Thor Actor Talks About Racist Comic Book Fans

Magic and monsters are fine, but a black guy playing a Norse god? That's taking things too far.

Idris Elba, who plays Heimdall in Marvel's Thor movie, has spoken about the backlash caused by the casting of a black actor as a Norse god. Elba's casting has infuriated a number of groups who feel it is insulting to have a person of color playing a figure often referred to as the "Whitest of the Gods."

Elba indicated that complaints about his casting came in two types: There were the purist comic books fans who were upset about the changes made to the canon - Heimdall [http://marvel.com/universe/Heimdall] is depicted as white in the comics - and then there were others whose complaints were solely motivated by race. He was reluctant to speak about it too much though, as he didn't want to fuel the issue. Ultimately, he said, if people didn't like the casting decisions, they should just stay at home and not see the movie.

Sadly, the fan backlash against Elba's casting is not a new phenomenon - Penny Arcade tackled it in a comic [http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/12/20/] late last year - and it isn't the first time that Elba has talked about it. Just over a year ago, he said that Thor had so many fantastical elements that he was amazed that anyone would pay attention to the color of his skin. He acknowledged that he didn't really look like the traditional image of a Scandinavian, but said that in future there would be more diversity in Hollywood casting. "I was cast in Thor and I'm cast as a Nordic god," he said. "If you know anything about the Nords, they don't look like me but there you go. I think that's a sign of the times for the future. I think we will see multi-level casting. I think we will see that, and I think that's good."

Unfortunately, that's not an opinion shared by his detractors. Some [http://boycott-thor.com/] of the Elba's staunchest - although ostensibly not racially motivated - opponents accuse Marvel of left-wing social engineering, noting that it attacked the Tea Party movement in a recent issue of Captain America, and that Stan Lee is known to support left-wing politicians. Other [http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t703651/] complainants, who are more directly racist, talk about the "filthy culture of judaism [sic]" and how Elba's casting is an attack on "White Culture." While the latter accusation is both disgusting and ridiculous, the former - that the left wing is using the media, and especially Hollywood, as a vehicle for propaganda - is not new. It was also leveled at DC Comics following the news [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/109659-Superman-Quits-America-Fox-News-Readers-Take-the-News-Badly] that Superman was going to renounce his US citizenship.

Although Elba doesn't look like a typical viking, it's not as if he's playing a historical figure, and it's hardly the only liberty that Marvel has taken with the Norse pantheon. As insults go, saying that the Norse gods were actually aliens with some really advanced technology - which is actually true in the Marvel canon - would seem to be much worse than casting a black actor as Heimdall, but strangely, no one seems to be bothered about that fact. All joking aside though, race in the media is a delicate and difficult subject, whether you're talking about the accusations of "whitewashing [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/91423-Avatar-Protest-Shut-Down-By-Viacom-Copyright-Claim]" in The Last Airbender movie - which is the casting of white actors as characters of color - or the accusations of racism [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/89242-Resident-Evil-5-Coverage-Reignites-Racism-Debate] in Resident Evil 5. It's an issue that people need to keep talking about though, because like any serious issue, it's not going to go away if we just ignore it.

Source: Hero Complex [http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/05/02/thor-star-idris-elba-on-fan-racism-and-ghost-rider-sequel-but-not-prometheus/]










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personaly i see why some fans are uset but only because it breaks what we already know about the character. That said anyone whos seen the movie can pretty much say what movie bob did HES BAD ASS nuff said.
 

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I just saw the movie and I enjoyed it regardless of any actor's race. The Heimdall character was actually pretty bad ass. They got an imposing actor to play the part and he did a good job. In such a fantastical world, this type of inane, racist diatribe means nothing and it certainly accomplishes nothing.
 

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I'm kinda late to this, but really, it's not about racism. People (most of them) aren't saying this silly or stupid because they're horrified by a filthy negro brute (emphasis on exagaration here) portraying what is supposed to be a GLORIOUS MAN OF THE WHITE MASTER RACE. Nah. The problem for many here is that it's just a really weird thing to do, and kind of sucker-punches the source material. Was there any real reason for him to be black in this? Did it somehow really change anything, or was there any emphasis on it? Because if not, then it just seems like a pointless thing to do.
(On a sidenote, I hear he's really awesome in the role, which certainly evens it out a bit.)
And yes, I know there's an asian actor also, which is the same deal really.

It's kind of like casting, say, Aragorn as a black man. Or making Conan an asian. Or, I dunno, portraying Wolverine as an aborigine. Or making a movie about feudal Japan or an African tribal society and sticking a white actor there without any explanation or reason, and portraying just another member of the society. It's just weird and confusing, and doesn't really add to anything.
So no, people are (in general) NOT bitching because they only want to gaze upon the fortright brow of the great white man and shun the filthy lesser races for so horribly and frivolously displaying themselves before their eyes. People are bitching because they feel it deviates too much from what they already know about it.

Then again, Marvel pretty much raped Norse mythology up, down and sideways by making their Asgard in the first place (which is still some people's actual religion, and as such I'd consider it pretty damn rude). Kind of like if you made a movie about Jesus as an alien from another planet who defeats the forces of the devil with sweet kung fu moves and his great big cross. Or a movie where Buddha launches hellfire and lasers from his eyes and fights against the anthropomorphic manifestation of human desires so that he can reach the magical sky castle known as Nirvana.
So maybe we could consider it a small payback.
 

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killerkitty said:
What do you think the reaction would be in New Orleans if they cast loa/voudon gods as entirely white people? Why is it ok to overwrite the history of one sub-set of people but not the other? As someone from England (a lot of us have viking ancestors as much as the people actually in nordic countries due to large parts being invaded) I find this incredibly insulting and demeaning, seriously. This light-hearted article by the escapist which seems to think one type of racism but not the other is ok is pathetic too.
Fun fact... the film isn't based on Norse mythology at all (id est, it's not a documentary on Norse mythology). It's based on a comic canon and all those "gods" depicted in the movie are in all actuality aliens - as it has been mentioned before several times in this thread.

"As someone from England" - sh*t, as someone from Bulgaria, I wouldn't even give a hoot if Vasil Levski [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasil_Levski] were to be played by a dark-colored gypsy, or if some Slavic god were to be depicted as someone with black skin color. You're developing false patriotic feelings, where it is absolutely inappropriate (considering that modern-day England has as much in common in culture and history with the Vikings, as Microsoft has with well-written software). You ought not to feel insulted, because the work is entirely fictional.
 

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Hardcore fans of ANYTHING are dumb, dumb people. The Heimdall "issue" is no exception.

Excellent casting, excellently played character.
 

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Ok, i watched the movie last night. I didn't have any problems with the character of Heimdall sooo...good job dude. ;)
 

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Yep. Definitely not racist at all. The Norsemen were, of course, mostly black. Barely a white man amongst them. And their Gods, well they just weren't Gods unless they were black.

So, this clearly isn't racist casting. If say, the name 'Norsemen' meant "The people from the north', they lived in the Northern-most part of Europe, and collectively had probably seen 5 black men in their lives, this would be extremely racist casting. Tokenism in it's extreme.

However, since that's all nonsense, and the Vikings were an African tribe, this isn't Racist Casting.
 

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Yes he was purposefully casted because he was black. Not because he's a bloody good actor or anything, no that would just be silly and all these people crying foul over a dead religion they've never worshiped who's only connection is that their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandpa might of worshiped it to are clearly just concerned individuals who-

Fuck it I can't keep up the sarcasm. You people are nutters seriously.
 

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Sindwiller said:
killerkitty said:
What do you think the reaction would be in New Orleans if they cast loa/voudon gods as entirely white people? Why is it ok to overwrite the history of one sub-set of people but not the other? As someone from England (a lot of us have viking ancestors as much as the people actually in nordic countries due to large parts being invaded) I find this incredibly insulting and demeaning, seriously. This light-hearted article by the escapist which seems to think one type of racism but not the other is ok is pathetic too.
Fun fact... the film isn't based on Norse mythology at all (id est, it's not a documentary on Norse mythology). It's based on a comic canon and all those "gods" depicted in the movie are in all actuality aliens - as it has been mentioned before several times in this thread.

"As someone from England" - sh*t, as someone from Bulgaria, I wouldn't even give a hoot if Vasil Levski [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasil_Levski] were to be played by a dark-colored gypsy, or if some Slavic god were to be depicted as someone with black skin color. You're developing false patriotic feelings, where it is absolutely inappropriate (considering that modern-day England has as much in common in culture and history with the Vikings, as Microsoft has with well-written software). You ought not to feel insulted, because the work is entirely fictional.
So, because its fictional, its entirely ok to change it from the source material just because they needed a token black character?
 

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Race is only as important to the actor as it is important to the character. If you follow me.

If a character's not written as any particular race and/or the character's race doesn't inform his identity significantly then it's fine to cast an actor of any race as that character.

That being said, any Nordic god has white (preferably scandinavian/germanic) attributes as an important part of his character. Casting a black actor as a white god is an example of how Hollywood shits on source material. But that's nothing new nor is it limited to mis-matched races.

Lest anyone bullshit, I'll bring up an example more particular to this situation than what has already been said about The Last Airbender: would you be fine w/a white actor playing The Black Panther?
 

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White characters didn't make Dragonball suck, nor did white characters make Airbender suck. They sucked for other reasons.

Seeing as he didn't suck, and this film didn't suck, there is no issue.
 

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Is the actor good in the role?

If so, I don't give a rat's ass what color his skin is. If they had cast a black Thor, maybe I'd have a problem with it. This is just a supporting actor. Who honestly cares that much? Get a grip.
 

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Really? this sort of argument seems a bit pointless don't you think? regardless of whether he is black or white really shouldn't be an issue. I understand that comic fans and those who are familiar with the Nordic beliefs would be upset, I myself have a huge fascination with Norse mythology, however, one thing I love about movies and correct me if I'm wrong, they have the ability to portray almost any media, both from the past and present and create a more enticing visual form that draws people in and gives them a great story.
I personally don't care if he was cast for equal opportunities, just like I don't care whether any of the other actors were cast for some strange reason. The point is that the film was as good as it was because of the work they put into it and the actors that were in it, whether it changes one detail of the comic doesn't matter as long as it was good...and it WAS good.
Just on a side note he was pretty much the most badass looking and sounding character in the whole movie, I don't know who cast him but I can see why you did, it was an awesome movie.
 

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And why are we all focused on a guy's skin color rather than is the movie good? Like what fans of something should be doing.
 

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Comic book fans hate any change to established characters, cannon or not, except this time they didn't see the racist label coming when they complained about a god character's race change instead of a costume. Yes, I'm aware some genuine racists complained but they'd be the minority from what I read. I'm not a fan of thor or comics really, but it's annyoing to have that label thrown around so casually about criticism and the comics' source material