Blizzard: Stop Trying to Copy WoW
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Variety is never rewarded though, EQ and EQ2 are both for the more "hardcore" set, the games actually have penalties for dying beyond the small amounts of cash it takes to repair gear and the raids require more work and larger numbers (if you tried to take out some of the current raid trash mobs the way you do the wow trash you'd end up with a bunch of dead players getting rezzes and eating xp loss, then waiting 30 minutes for another go while you rest, rebuff, rest again and make a new strat.) Both games are barely hanging on now though because people want easy.Kollega said:
I think its "Accessible" they want, not necessarily easy. And being harder is not automatically variety.asinann said:
Eve online is very different to WoW (ignore what Yahtzee said; lets just say he didn't review it properly) and that'd had a steadily growing customer base for awhile now - ok, its not WoW level popular, but its sustainable, which is more than the WoW clones can say (I'm looking at you Age of Conan).
I do agree, copying Wow is a pretty tired idea (marketable though it may be).
That's why I absolutely refuse to try Aion. Doesn't seem to different.
That's why I absolutely refuse to try Aion. Doesn't seem to different.
The one thing wow did for MMOs is make things simple,easy and fun. But the trouble with simple and fun is is septic to the anti septic nature of a MMO, look at FF11 its so loaded down with restrictions its like work to play the damn thing.
Devs need to to give players the option of easy or hard with mature groups and guilds of adventures(50+ in lvl I suppose) having to deal with higher and higher leveled monster leaders.
Basically allow single players to finish the games story/class by doing the lone wolf thing and then if they want more out of that character they will have to join up with others or be forced to slowly climb up a annoying nearly endless ladder. IE make it harder to play when you are 50 or 100+ as a lone wolf make it a bit easier in groups.
But that's not enough always allow advance players to make trade offs to sell off their old skills and unused or underused finished skill trees to start a skill in a different class to keep things interesting.
I find MMOs to be a drag and severely lack in customization PVP can be easily handled by lvl>victories then if people must do battle numberize stats/skills so they can be handicapped for the duel. For the MMO world itself worry more about keeping things interesting and fun than keeping people playing 24/7 "working" on a Gdamn game....
Take a RPG like FF4 or FF6 Phantasy star 2 or 4 with the fun equipment,skills and such make that into a MMO with minor restrictions alot of story,equipment and things to do lets not make another MMO like FF11 where there are more rules than monster hordes.........
Devs need to to give players the option of easy or hard with mature groups and guilds of adventures(50+ in lvl I suppose) having to deal with higher and higher leveled monster leaders.
Basically allow single players to finish the games story/class by doing the lone wolf thing and then if they want more out of that character they will have to join up with others or be forced to slowly climb up a annoying nearly endless ladder. IE make it harder to play when you are 50 or 100+ as a lone wolf make it a bit easier in groups.
But that's not enough always allow advance players to make trade offs to sell off their old skills and unused or underused finished skill trees to start a skill in a different class to keep things interesting.
I find MMOs to be a drag and severely lack in customization PVP can be easily handled by lvl>victories then if people must do battle numberize stats/skills so they can be handicapped for the duel. For the MMO world itself worry more about keeping things interesting and fun than keeping people playing 24/7 "working" on a Gdamn game....
Take a RPG like FF4 or FF6 Phantasy star 2 or 4 with the fun equipment,skills and such make that into a MMO with minor restrictions alot of story,equipment and things to do lets not make another MMO like FF11 where there are more rules than monster hordes.........
I think it's a different thing, but that reflects more how the market has changed than anything with the individual games. When WoW came out you had a bunch of big titles but no single market leader - you had DAoC, EQ, FFXI, etc, and all were FAIRLY close in terms of marketshare. There was no single "Oh, this game is just LIKE this other game, I'll go play the other game instead" because it was more evenly distributed. These days, if a game tries to be like WoW, there's only one game to really compare it to in the public mindset since WoW is such a mammoth.Abedeus said:
Is it a bit of a double standard? Of course. But markets change over time.
Maybe, but clearly it's worked out for themThe_root_of_all_evil said:
Besides, I think it's a bit old hat to complain about any high fantasy product re: Tolkien considering that every high fantasy product is copying him in some way.
its sad that any new mmorpg that will come out in the future will have the sword of Damocles that is WoW hanging over its head. Unless its something like APB which is GTA in mmorpg form, the only thing developers should worry about is making the game work well, fun, accessible, and have lots of virerity (cant spell that word sue me). Iv played WoW for a long time but now Im just gonna pray @ the altar of Bioware so they make The Old Republic as awesome as possible, even though its gonna be WoW with lightsabers and in the future, I dont care I just love the Star Wars universe 100000000 times more then Warcraft.
I totally freaking agree with you. My friends and I played WAR for about 2 months, did multiple toons to the level cap and eventually got bored with it because at the end of the day we wanted to be playing a 40k mmo not another copy and paste fantasy game that set in motion the resurrection of our old WoW addictions.LockeDown said:
After we'd stopped playing and found ourselves one day discussing what the game was lacking we came to one conclusion. It was a great game in every aspect we could think of, the only issue is that we felt the Warhammer people would have had something new if only they'd set it in the 40k universe.
Planetside is decent, though its population isn't that huge anymore. The servers are still up, there's a...14(?) day free trial and I quite enjoyed it. Dust from CCP (EVE guys) is an MMOFPS too, but that's going to be a while.Avykins said:
If you haven't, definitely give Planetside a spin. I was pleasantly surprised.