Blogger Denied Refund for Game EA Won't Let Him Play

antman9000

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this is exactly why games are being banned here in australia. irresponsible parents. then in those threads you have ppl complaining about how they shouldn't let their kids play ma games and so on anyway, then something like this comes along and dont see as many people against it.

on topic: he was offered a $20 credit at the ea store after only paying $15, and refused, knowing his kid was underage.
 

Yossarian1507

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Looks like EA is on a killing spree in terms of bad press (first the guy banned from playing DA II, now this). What's wrong with you EA? I never really loved you all that much, but you were decent. Now you're trying to be as evil as Activision, why?
 

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Thumbs up for the father's parenting skills. I can get behind playing games with a child if they're mature enough to handle them, and I believe in most cases the parent knows the maturity of their children.

Thimbs down for the father's reading skills however.
 

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I can't honestly see a clear-cut good and bad side to this. I can't really blame either side for their opinions or actions.

The father seems fairly responsible and conscious of what games his kid plays, and that's extremely refreshing to me. I think it's great that he plays games with his son. It is unfortunate that he can't get a real refund on the game, but they always have that little disclaimer up on downloads for that very reason.

As for EA, I completely see why they did what they did. From retail work experience I've seen just how easily inappropriate games can get into the hands of underaged gamers. When that happens, 9 out of 10 times the parents claim they had no idea what they or their children were buying and immediately place all the blame on the people who sell these games. EA is just covering their asses to avoid trouble, and it's a sad state that they're completely justified in doing that.

If this is like any other case that's hit the media lately, Microsoft will issue a public apology, refund the MS Points, and more than likely give the father and son some sort of bonus as a good will gesture, as well. I'm not sure what EA will do, but I think their best solution would be to implement some sort of parental controls on their games to prevent a situation like this from happening in the future.
 

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antman9000 said:
this is exactly why games are being banned here in australia. irresponsible parents. then in those threads you have ppl complaining about how they shouldn't let their kids play ma games and so on anyway, then something like this comes along and dont see as many people against it.

on topic: he was offered a $20 credit at the ea store after only paying $15, and refused, knowing his kid was underage.
Two things:

1. The reason games are banned here in Aus is because we both don't have a high enough classification to cover it and that parents complain about their child playing a game. It's not that they're irresponsible, the problem is that they're hypocritical.
2. The reason people are on the father's side here is because this man isn't getting a refund for a product he can't use.

mojodamm said:
Thumbs up for the father's parenting skills. I can get behind playing games with a child if they're mature enough to handle them, and I believe in most cases the parent knows the maturity of their children.

Thimbs down for the father's reading skills however.
Thumbs down for your typing skills. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But let's be fair here, nobody reads those agreements anyway.
 

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mojodamm said:
Thumbs up for the father's parenting skills. I can get behind playing games with a child if they're mature enough to handle them, and I believe in most cases the parent knows the maturity of their children.

Thimbs down for the father's reading skills however.
SL33TBL1ND said:
Thumbs down for your typing skills. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But let's be fair here, nobody reads those agreements anyway.
Unfortunately, there are times I'm ALL thumbs...
 

SL33TBL1ND

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mojodamm said:
mojodamm said:
Thumbs up for the father's parenting skills. I can get behind playing games with a child if they're mature enough to handle them, and I believe in most cases the parent knows the maturity of their children.

Thimbs down for the father's reading skills however.
SL33TBL1ND said:
Thumbs down for your typing skills. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. But let's be fair here, nobody reads those agreements anyway.
Unfortunately, there are times I'm ALL thumbs...
YEAAAAHHHHH!

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Deshin said:
So here we have a responsible parent who actively engages with the joyous past-time of video games with his son. So adamant is he about the fact he goes and purchases a second console so the father and son's co-op play is not stunted by the current gen's inability for decent couch co-op. Then he buys the game online legitimately, with the account intended to play it, only to be told once he's bought it he can't play it.

Honestly this guy is everything we should be trying to defend when it comes to the modern video gamer. It's dick moves like this that cause people to turn to piracy. EA's not doing too well for themselves lately are they?
Dear Sir. You said all I wanted to say, only much better than I would have. I hope you do not mind me quoting your message in order to make my thoughts on the issue known. Thank you.
 

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That's... actually not true at all; this is the quote from the Xbox live descriptive box [as taken from Xbox.com]:

Battlefield 1943 is a multiplayer-only game that lets you enjoy the thrills of Pacific WW2 battles! Pick your path - be it as a rifleman, a steel fisted tank commander, or ace fighter pilot dog fighting to protect the skies. Play as a lone wolf or with your friends, coordinating to turn the tide of battle. This game requires the Xbox 360 hard drive for storage. There are no refunds for this item. Multiplayer only. For more information, see www.xbox.com/live/accounts. REGISTRATION AND GOLD SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED. EA ONLINE TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND FEATURE UPDATES ARE FOUND AT www.ea.com. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO REGISTER WITH EA ONLINE. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE. EA MAY RETIRE THIS GAME AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON www.ea.com. There are no refunds for this item. For more information, see www.xbox.com/live/accounts
As you can see: "YOU MUST BE 13+ TO REGISTER WITH EA ONLINE."
Who the fuck reads all this and EULA a like agreements? I'm not a lawyer to be interested in it or to fully understand it, so I basically skip it all together. Honestly nothing of this surprises me. Games are not refundable and having a kid's account or setting age below 13 is bound to cause flack. Since the only person who can actually do something is the father, I blame him for all this. He should have trusted no one on the other end, set his son's account with a FALSE name, FAKE birthday and so on (no need for real ones, since he's not using his own son's credit card or bank account). Also this would be a perfect lesson for his son about online identity.

This all reminds me of me buying my first steam game - Bioshock and it was all in German since I'm in Germany. I wanted it in English, but should have known better. I contacted the support and they said: NEIN. So now, I know, if I'm going to buy a game, I first check if it is mandatory in German, and if so, I order it from England - simple.
 

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I'm of decidedly mixed opinion of this. On one hand this story indicates an informed parent (who is well aware of what the game's contents entail) being denied a product they paid for and not being able to get a refund for that specific product when he attempts to get his money back. In this case, I believe he should be able to get his money back or have his son be allowed to register and play the game.

The other problem is this, Its a specific case. Large companies like EA and other major distributors generally have large customer bases and need to have contracts (IE EULA's) that cover broad ranges of people with general guidelines they can apply to all their products. The 13+ age requirements for registration and playing isn't an attempt at parenting our kids, its an attempt to avoid a negligence lawsuit from people who would sue them for not having safeguards in place for preventing younger children who don't have a parents consent from playing and getting scared/offended by a teen or older game. Yes the reating system is just a guideline but people have sued over similar things before.

The $20 credit is an interesting thing as well. The first thing is that it is a way covering themselves in court by saying we not only offered him compensation equal to but more than what he paid to us. Yes he paid in microsoft points but thats like going to an arcade and buying tokens with a credit card. the EA credit being the tokens and the Microsoft points being the credit card. The tokens are only good at that arcade but they have an established value. EA assumes that since they came to the EA store they wanted an EA product, and since the customer was not ble to get the game he wanted, we will be nice and give him a chance to get something of equal value or better than what he paid at their store. Yes it was on a website for a product that was entirely electronic data, but a website is still a store all the same. Nowhere does it state that EA had to give him the credit of $20. That was EA saying "We are sorry that you didn't read our EULA or the microsoft screen that says you have to be 13+ to have an account that will let you play a teen rated game online. But to be nice about it, you can have what you paid plus 5 bucks towards whatever you want in our store." I see the multiplayer aspect of games alot like a phone company. You may own the physicall phone in your house but its the phone company that you pay money to that has the ability to connect you with people outside your home. Since gameing leans more to the purely recreational then essential side of provided services, the game companies and sever providers like Microsoft have more control on the rules they have on who can and can't show up. For example, You and your friends are dancing in a club at a party, But its the club's rules that you have to abide by if you want to play. Frankly, both the EA store and Microsoft store do say in the EULA's that you have to be 13+ to have an account so you can play before you can finalize the purchase. Mr. Wetzel can't say he wasn't warned about the rules unless he skipped reading the EULA which, sadly, alot of people do and is very irresponsible to do. So while this situation is odd and rare, it is a good example that no particular system for game sales is perfect and can lead to wierd situations like this.

The big companies have to be strict in adhearing to these guidlines they create because once they bend or make an exception to them, it sets precidence for others to claim "You did it for X why not me? thats favoritism, I'll sue!" As much as I believe this guy should be able to play the game he paid for and have his son be able to play if he believes his son can handle it well, I really doubt this will be resolved in his favor. As there would be other people who abuse this exception for their own gain EA and Microsoft probably uphold the ban. The best way to counteract people exploiting these exceptions and avoiding situations like Mr Wetzel, in theory mind you, would be to have specific individual contracts with each customer. Unfortunately, in reality that is so impractical that it is impossible for large companies like EA and Microsoft to do, so they have to go with contracts or EULA's that cover the largest middle ground and stick with them even if it makes them look like hartless evil theives.
 

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PPhhh. You're kidding, right? It's $15! And he was offered a $20 credit! He's still whining?

I'm willing to bet we've all dropped cash on some game that's turned out horrible and we've never bothered to get a refund. That's just life sometimes, and punishment for not doing the pre--required RESEARCH. This guy didn't bother to read any of the stuff about "no refunds" and "over 13". Cry more dude, seriously. He probably spends that on coffee easily.

Also, there's been a lot of these "Gamers denied something by game developers/distributers kill kill hate hate burn them to the ground" news articles going around lately. They're really getting old. Has someone just discovered that they hit the "angry" button for people that like to be angry, and get a lot of hits? I hope the faze hurrys up and dies so we can get some real news again.
 

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Deshin said:
So here we have a responsible parent who actively engages with the joyous past-time of video games with his son. So adamant is he about the fact he goes and purchases a second console so the father and son's co-op play is not stunted by the current gen's inability for decent couch co-op. Then he buys the game online legitimately, with the account intended to play it, only to be told once he's bought it he can't play it.

Honestly this guy is everything we should be trying to defend when it comes to the modern video gamer. It's dick moves like this that cause people to turn to piracy. EA's not doing too well for themselves lately are they?



Exactly what this guy said. Regardless of anything, this is the sort of gamer we should be encouraging.

And besides, there's a ton of confirmation messages and pop-ups that appear when you try to do things on live. I feel like they're trying to scam people if they let an account that can't play a game purchase and download it.
 

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No matter what, EA is just coming across as a giant corporate A$$hole. With the added fees to play one of their games online if you buy it used (which I can sorta understand) to the targeting of minors in its Dead Space 2 campaign (which I cant). EA just really strikes me, lately like they really don't care about gamers. Just what the gamers can give them, and that's money.
 

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FalloutJack said:
Allow me to put this into a very simple notion.

EA is selling defective games. (Namely, if you can't play it, it's a defective product. Period. End of story.) Defective games are to be refunded or the suing starts. The customer IS right on this occasion.
It's not defective if it's due to operator error. If you lock yourself out of your car, it doesn't mean the car is defective, does it?
 

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To me he wasn't denied a refund. They did offer him 20 dollars in EA store credit. Say I buy something from walmart and I try to return it but I don't have a receipt. They give me in-store credit instead. Now while some people may find it annoying or dislike it, it is the policy for Walmart.

My choice would be to either take it or leave it. He had that choice. As far as I know there's no way for Xbox or EA to ensure that the game is removed so even if they gave the refund, how are they to know that their product isn't being used later? Moreover, if there's nothing that you don't like in the EA store now...wait a bit and there may be something later (though I grant we have no clue as so how long the $20 credit would have lasted).

EA tried to be responsible and help their customer. He didn't want to take it so it's his problem.

Since I don't know where or not it really is or isn't stated that the player must be 13 or over (there seems to be some back and forth over whether it is or isn't), I will state that it does need to be clear to the player, but I don't think EA is in the wrong as much as people want them to be.
 

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coldalarm said:
FalloutJack said:
Allow me to put this into a very simple notion.

EA is selling defective games. (Namely, if you can't play it, it's a defective product. Period. End of story.) Defective games are to be refunded or the suing starts. The customer IS right on this occasion.
It's not defective if it's due to operator error. If you lock yourself out of your car, it doesn't mean the car is defective, does it?
Well, to put it bluntly, this isn't a car. And it's not the equivalent of one either.