BOOYAH! Ray Fisher is Cyborg in Batman Vs. Superman

[shintakie10]

That's great, but I have a question:

DC, what happened to Starfire and Raven? They were by far my two favorite Teen Titans and they both seem to be fan favorites as well, and yet these two are rarely touched. Why is Cyborg the break-out star from Teen Titans?

Raven's out because her backstory is far too complicated for a movie that has such a large cast. Starfire bein out is a little odder though, since its not exactly hard to explain another alien. However the idea is probably what CriticalMiss said. They wanted some color in the movie and while orange alien does technically add color, I dont think its the color they would want.

 

[Something Amyss]

I guess I didn't pay attention before, but may 2016?!?! holy crap, that is quite a long ways away considering how much we've already heard about the movie.

still, more cyborg is welcome, at least if it's from the 2000's teen titans and not the new stuff so much.

They're trying to get us, like, super excited. The problem is, I think this has the opposite effect. While there's nothing inherently bad about the additions, each tease gets the same response: how are they going to fit that in?

 

[Saltyk]

I seriously expect that these characters will all be in a post credits teaser. I just really can't see them being in the movie in any meaningful way. Especially since they lack any character development.

What's the idea? The "Not Justice League" which includes, Batman, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, Flash, and Green Lantern, decide to send Batman to go meet this new Superman guy. But Bats decides to test him, because raisins. Meanwhile Wonder Woman and Cyborg will chat it up in the "Not Hall of Justice" as they have known each other forever. Like when they did that thing in that place.

Meanwhile, this makes us beg the question of where the "Not Justice League" was during Man of Steel.

Hell, Warner Bros, if you wanted to do this right, you'd make the next movie Wonder Woman. And tie the events of Man of Steel to it. Having those events be the catalyst for why the Amazons feel that the world needs them to have a "true symbol" of justice and empathy as opposed to the murderer that was Superman.

Doesn't that already sound like a much better movie?

 

[shintakie10]

Meanwhile, this makes us beg the question of where the "Not Justice League" was during Man of Steel.

Not to discredit other points, but this is an easily explained away thing since comic books have to do it constantly. The other super heroes were busy at the time.

The Marvel continuity needs to do it a lot now since they've established all these characters bein around, yet only ever poppin up in the big crossover movie. Where was Captain America/Iron Man/SHIELD when the dark elves showed up in Thor 2? Where was Iron Man was Hawkeye through the entirety of Captain America TWS? Why exactly did no one except Fury seem to give a toss that Tony Stark may or may not have just been blown up by an international terrorist organization?

They were busy at the time.

Its a lame cop out, but it answers the problem pretty easily.

Heck, you could even go one greater for DC since they haven't established anyone except Batman/Superman and maybe sort of GL (though isn't Bats not Nolan Batman? So really just Superman). Vick Stone hasn't been cyborged into Cyborg yet. Wonder Woman hasn't left her little island yet. Green Lantern could become one of the other 2 earth GL's (though they appear to have hit their minority quota so no hope for John Stewart GL). Flash maybe hasn't had his accident yet. It'd be a lot of ground to cover in a 2ish hour movie, but its doable.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I guess I didn't pay attention before, but may 2016?!?! holy crap, that is quite a long ways away considering how much we've already heard about the movie.

still, more cyborg is welcome, at least if it's from the 2000's teen titans and not the new stuff so much.

They're trying to get us, like, super excited. The problem is, I think this has the opposite effect. While there's nothing inherently bad about the additions, each tease gets the same response: how are they going to fit that in?

Agreed, and I feel like the same thing happens with video games sometimes, but it'll be interesting to see how they fit cyborg in there, if it is an origins type story to start him on his own movie if he gets good reviews from the masses or who's "side" he'll be on and such. I'm not saying this movie will be great (in fact I'm expecting it to be...pretty cheesy bad. like a bad dad joke where you cringe a bit.) but I'm at least intrigued to see how they're going to work this all in WITH the actors they've picked for some of the parts. (such as lex,batman and such, pretty big roles.)

 

[ClockworkUniverse]

That's great, but I have a question:

DC, what happened to Starfire and Raven? They were by far my two favorite Teen Titans and they both seem to be fan favorites as well, and yet these two are rarely touched. Why is Cyborg the break-out star from Teen Titans?

Have you seen what they've been doing with Starfire lately? I don't want DC using the characters I like.

 

[V4Viewtiful]

That's great, but I have a question:

DC, what happened to Starfire and Raven? They were by far my two favorite Teen Titans and they both seem to be fan favorites as well, and yet these two are rarely touched. Why is Cyborg the break-out star from Teen Titans?

Coz Geoff Johns is a fanboy, the worst kind. This is like when he brought back Barry Allen, he just wanted to use him and make him big not considering his legacy or whether or not he fits into the grand scheme of the universe. What's sad is he's only ever interesting in the comics when he isn't around the other JL members and he was barely useful in JL to begin with, lord knows he didn't ad anything.

Why they couldn't ad the Milestone Character hardware in the Team I don't know.

 

[Diddy_Mao]

curiouser and curiouser...

I've long been of the opinion that a Justice League film just can't work. Largely because the DC universe tends to be a little more complicated than Marvel's. There's just too many competing mythologies to work well for a film adaptation.

What I never really took into account until recently is that DC has pretty much owned the television market for Animated series and serial dramas for their characters for over a decade now. With the Batman/Superman Animated Series, Smallville, Justice League, Teen Titans, Young Justice, Lois and Clark, Swamp Thing, Arrow, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, Green Lantern...not to mention a bunch of direct to DVD animated films. It's entirely possible they're banking on the all too likely fact that most folks are actually pretty familiar with the DC Universe to a degree that they don't need to give each JLA member their own introductory film series (A luxury Marvel didn't really have).

I wonder if their intention isn't to create a sort of "reverse Avengers" thing. Start off with the big team up flick, see which characters get the most fan attention and develop future film projects based on the proven fan favorites.

 

[Something Amyss]

Agreed, and I feel like the same thing happens with video games sometimes, but it'll be interesting to see how they fit cyborg in there, if it is an origins type story to start him on his own movie if he gets good reviews from the masses or who's "side" he'll be on and such. I'm not saying this movie will be great (in fact I'm expecting it to be...pretty cheesy bad. like a bad dad joke where you cringe a bit.) but I'm at least intrigued to see how they're going to work this all in WITH the actors they've picked for some of the parts. (such as lex,batman and such, pretty big roles.)

This movie has sort of a train wreck quality to it now. I'm wondering how they can add these characters in any meaningful sense. I mean, if they can pull it off, that would be a level of brilliance rarely seen in film, let alone comic book movies. I doubt they can do it, though, and I sort of anticipate a wreck, but....I can't hate the movie. IT just stare on with morbid curiosity.

 

[Ieyke]

But the odds that this turns out good.....still an extreme longshot.

 

[Avalanche91]

Good casting, continueing the horrible decision making we've come to expect.

Now don't take my word on this, but I've heard rumors they are actually going to add Superman to this large cast of characters at some point.

Honestly I kinda get why they wanted to add Batman to the Superman spin-off, it hasn't been long since The Dark Knight trilogy so everyone knows who he is. But couldn't they at least give Wonderwoman her own movie first? Or the Flash? I don't think Cyborg is exactly A-material, but even he has enough stories and issues to warrant himself an own movie.

And as people above me pointed out: When are we going to see Raven, Starfire and Beastboy on the big screen damnit? They are sitting on a goldmine but think the best way to get the ore is to cave the fucker in.

 

[JagermanXcell]

I do like Cyborg... and oooooooo Ray Fisher!...
But is this even "Batman vs Superman" anymore? Didn't they say they plan on NOT developing a DC movieverse? Yet they are going ahead with shoving in Wonder Woman, Flash, Green "The Rock" Lantern, and maybe Superman if people still care about him.

A shame Cyborg has to appear in what looks like a pre-determined train wreck of a Justice Leagueish movie.

Cause goddamn it WB, a Teen Titans movie would generate much more hype than all this messy madness you've created.

 

[Lieju]

Starfire bein out is a little odder though, since its not exactly hard to explain another alien.

That wouldn't really fit with the story of Man of Steel, (this is technically a sequel to it) where Superman was alien Jesus. A conflict with Batman in the sequel fits, (humanity vs this new advanced alien) and Wonder Woman could be fitted in there in a small role. Cyborg fits very well, being a human, but enhanced, raising the question of 'what is human?'.
But having another alien, clearly non-human at that, would take away from Superman being special.
It would work in the third movie, where we have humanity already accepting Supes.

But the way this is going, I'm expecting them to rename this into something else, and downplay Superman's role, so who knows.

 

[Agayek]

This movie is more and more sounding like a piled on mess...especially since I recall them saying they DON'T plan to try a big movie franchise like the Marvel films have done...it's just 'throw everything into a pot'.

Pretty much this.

This movie confuses the shit out of me. It's like they're desperately trying (and badly at that) to copy the Avengers without the slightest idea of how or why the Avengers actually worked.

On the incredibly miniscule chance anyone at DC or Warner Bros reads this, I'll give them a hint: There's a reason the only meaningful character introduced in The Avengers had "Is a Secret Agent that uses a bow" as a backstory. It wasn't just for shits and giggles.

 

[El Luck]

Yup, there still aren't any plans for a Justice League movie at all.

 

[Jeroenr]

Hey Bob it's time for a Big Picture on Cyborg and why DC is pushing him so hard to become one of their biggest heroes.

Probably because they want a black guy for their ensemble and I guess the Hal Jordan green lantern is the quintessential one.

Also this movie is probably going to be fucking bad. Either these characters are going to be underdeveloped or they're going to eat up a good chunk of the movie with their introductions.

Avengers worked because the only characters that needed to be introduced were black widow and hawkeye but both those characters are normal human beings. They didn't need to spend much time explaining why bruce banner turns into a giant green monster or why tony stark has a robot suit. Fuck, Thor could show up and just start slinging lightning and magic hammers around because he had a whole movie establishing the crazy fantasy world he comes from.

I guess they could just assume everyone knows who wonder woman is, or cyborg, or batman (unless he's supposed to be the same batman as the nolan batman) but then they'd be leaving huge chunks of the story completely untold and if all of the sudden a super strong woman with a magic glowing lasso flies in with her invisible jet and there's no explanation for it, it's going to be really weird out of context.

I dunno, level of faith in this movie is really low.

That was one of the things i liked about the Tim Burton Batman.
They didn't use half the movie for the origin story.
He already was the caped crusader at the start of the movie.
But some snappy flashback did cover all of his past in under 15 minutes.


Did Man of Steel do something that different than all the other version in it's origin?
They needed to develop General ZOD's character a bit, but the rest was just a rehash of something told a dozen times before.

So i don't think wide established heroes and villains need an on screen origin story per say.
But is don't think Cyborg is a wide established hero, so i think he could need one.(same goes for wonder woman)
Only i fear that it will make the movie lose some focus in the story.

 

[Beetlebum]

Hmm, where marvel did a bottom up approach to their films, DC seems to go for a top down approach. It can work.
Have bats and supes duke it out for a while and have Wonder Woman beat some sense into them, telling supes that if he's going to live on this world he can't go around smashing satelites out of the sky and telling bats that he's kind of insane and needs partners to keep him on the good side, forming the foundation of the Justice league. Have it end with clark becoming a reporter and bruce taking robin as apprentice.

However, It is starting to look very executive driven.
"We need to beat marvel at movies, so go and make a superman movie."
"We did that, everybody hated it."
"Well, put batman in there. Have him played by ben affleck, kids love him."
"Okay.. that can work.. give it a dark knight returns vibe."
"I don't understand what you're saying, but we need to add a woman too, to make sure people don't think we're gay."
"Uhm.. would that.."
"And throw in a black guy too, nobody is calling our movie racist!"
"I have my doubts about.."
"Look at the time! Its coke o'clock, later nerds!"